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So far, everyone who has said that cops reacted this way for absolutely no reason has been misinformed or lying when I go investigate. It’s actually quite surpr

So far, everyone who has said that cops reacted this way for absolutely no reason has been misinformed or lying when I go investigate. It’s actually quite surprising how frequently these blatantly wrong claims keep coming up. Often there is an assumption that because they didn’t see what started it, it must have been nothing. You might think they didn’t have a good enough reason, but I have yet to see police in any city deploy OC for no reason at all.

selimthegrim 6y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the_moment_it_all_happened/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the...
- taborj 6y ago
  I'm sorry, this is like pulling a single line out of a book and using it to bolster a specific argument. In other words, there's loads of context that's missing. Your video has less than 10 seconds of context. What happened just before the video starts? What happened 15 minutes before?
  - loeg 6y ago
    It's just a boring sit-in for hours before the clip starts. There is literally no context. The next night there isn't even an umbrella pretext, they just start spraying around 11:40pm after peaceful sit-in from 5pm. Here's video of the incident from 13 minutes prior (June 1): https://www.facebook.com/jessica.bundy.79/videos/3657142187633903/ https://www.facebook.com/jessica.bundy.79/videos/36571421876... And earlier recording of the hours beforehand (June 1, earlier): https://www.facebook.com/jessica.bundy.79/videos/3657010030980452/ https://www.facebook.com/jessica.bundy.79/videos/36570100309... You're not missing any violent context; just the bigger picture.
    - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
      This is a great example of what I said. I’ve seen this video from multiple perspectives. It is absolutely not the case that it started for no reason at all. That’s a total lie. There are no “pretexts” happening. These conspiracy theories are absurd. From the ground video of this same incident, it was seen that protestors were pushing on the fence. They then deployed umbrellas, some of which were deployed over the barrier. An officer swats a pink umbrella out of his face and grabs it. The protestor tries to pull it away. A tug-of-war struggle ensues. Another officer notices there is a struggle and rushes in with his pepper spray to get the girl off. The whole time, the crowd was told they are NOT allowed to cross this street. They can cross any other street. The precinct is this way. They form a plan to “push through” earlier, and they chant to let them through. on the other side, there are clearly projectiles being thrown, and before the cops deploy flashbangs, you can see some flashing from the crowd side - not sure what that is. You might think they overreacted. You might think he shouldn’t have started the scuffle with the umbrella. You might think they shouldn’t have raised their spray over a combative protestor pushing the barricade and mouthing off from 12 inches away from a cop’s face. That’s all fine to debate. But there is a clear pattern of escalation, tension, and confusion. The cops did not just say “let’s fuck up some protestors!” out of nowhere and then fire. And they definitely didn’t set up a pretext. You guys sound like Alex Jones with that shit.
      - loeg 6y ago
        You're just spouting falsehoods that are not shown in the video. The protestors had umbrellas for hours; they were not "deployed" shortly before officers initiated violence. Protesters were up against the fence for hours and did not push it forward substantially. The umbrella the officer grabbed wasn't in anyone's face. Note that 12,000 complaints were filed about SPD's overuse of force after that night. > you can see some flashing from the crowd side - not sure what that is Bud, that's a camera. > But there is a clear pattern of escalation, tension, and confusion. I totally agree with that statement. SPD repeatedly escalates peaceful situations into violent ones. > The cops did not just say “let’s fuck up some protestors!” out of nowhere Actually, they did, on video: https://twitter.com/Bishop_Krystal/status/1268009974170451968 https://twitter.com/Bishop_Krystal/status/126800997417045196...

selimthegrim 6y ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the_moment_it_all_happened/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the...

taborj 6y ago
I'm sorry, this is like pulling a single line out of a book and using it to bolster a specific argument. In other words, there's loads of context that's missing. Your video has less than 10 seconds of context. What happened just before the video starts? What happened 15 minutes before?
- loeg 6y ago
  It's just a boring sit-in for hours before the clip starts. There is literally no context. The next night there isn't even an umbrella pretext, they just start spraying around 11:40pm after peaceful sit-in from 5pm. Here's video of the incident from 13 minutes prior (June 1): https://www.facebook.com/jessica.bundy.79/videos/3657142187633903/ https://www.facebook.com/jessica.bundy.79/videos/36571421876... And earlier recording of the hours beforehand (June 1, earlier): https://www.facebook.com/jessica.bundy.79/videos/3657010030980452/ https://www.facebook.com/jessica.bundy.79/videos/36570100309... You're not missing any violent context; just the bigger picture.
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    This is a great example of what I said. I’ve seen this video from multiple perspectives. It is absolutely not the case that it started for no reason at all. That’s a total lie. There are no “pretexts” happening. These conspiracy theories are absurd. From the ground video of this same incident, it was seen that protestors were pushing on the fence. They then deployed umbrellas, some of which were deployed over the barrier. An officer swats a pink umbrella out of his face and grabs it. The protestor tries to pull it away. A tug-of-war struggle ensues. Another officer notices there is a struggle and rushes in with his pepper spray to get the girl off. The whole time, the crowd was told they are NOT allowed to cross this street. They can cross any other street. The precinct is this way. They form a plan to “push through” earlier, and they chant to let them through. on the other side, there are clearly projectiles being thrown, and before the cops deploy flashbangs, you can see some flashing from the crowd side - not sure what that is. You might think they overreacted. You might think he shouldn’t have started the scuffle with the umbrella. You might think they shouldn’t have raised their spray over a combative protestor pushing the barricade and mouthing off from 12 inches away from a cop’s face. That’s all fine to debate. But there is a clear pattern of escalation, tension, and confusion. The cops did not just say “let’s fuck up some protestors!” out of nowhere and then fire. And they definitely didn’t set up a pretext. You guys sound like Alex Jones with that shit.
    - loeg 6y ago
      You're just spouting falsehoods that are not shown in the video. The protestors had umbrellas for hours; they were not "deployed" shortly before officers initiated violence. Protesters were up against the fence for hours and did not push it forward substantially. The umbrella the officer grabbed wasn't in anyone's face. Note that 12,000 complaints were filed about SPD's overuse of force after that night. > you can see some flashing from the crowd side - not sure what that is Bud, that's a camera. > But there is a clear pattern of escalation, tension, and confusion. I totally agree with that statement. SPD repeatedly escalates peaceful situations into violent ones. > The cops did not just say “let’s fuck up some protestors!” out of nowhere Actually, they did, on video: https://twitter.com/Bishop_Krystal/status/1268009974170451968 https://twitter.com/Bishop_Krystal/status/126800997417045196...