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Ehm, going back to that time to compare what is happening today? You do realize that this is Hitler times right? How was black people treated in USA at this tim

by Moru 6y ago

Ehm, going back to that time to compare what is happening today? You do realize that this is Hitler times right? How was black people treated in USA at this time? Can we please stay out of this type of discussion and instead keep to civilized matters? For example the argument that the high death in Sweden would not have been any different had we shut down completely because most deaths happened at old age care where the same people travel around the whole city thanks to state trying to cut down on costs. Tegnell did say that they expected the old age care to take steps to limit this travel when they set up the guidelines but this never happened in Stockholm apparently. I know that in my home-town they compartmentalized the care a lot after the outbreak, every person only sees the same two to three faces and the personell groups don't meet any more. And the death rate is no different to last years average in our state. We do not experiment on people without asking for permission in Sweden. We do expect people to treat us with some respect.

dTal 6y ago
>Ehm, going back to that time to compare what is happening today? You do realize that this is Hitler times right? How was black people treated in USA at this time? This may not be the best comparison to make if you want to argue that everything is fine now.
V-2 6y ago
Contrary to popular belief (and to dismay of some users downvoting my comment for merely putting the historical facts straight), it's not just "Hitler times". Eugenics went on for considerably longer. Eg. compulsory sterilization, sterilization without consent, persisted well until 1970s. It was similar with lobotomy (carried out until mid- or late 1960s, I think). See https://www.umu.se/en/news/swedish-big-brother-behind-lobotomies-in-the-1940s-and-1950s_5839517/ https://www.umu.se/en/news/swedish-big-brother-behind-loboto... for an interesting take on the Swedish case: > Sweden was more accepting than the US in its attitude toward lobotomy in the 1940s and 1950s. A possible explanation for this may be the strength of paternalism in Sweden, that is, a greater tendency to make decisions on behalf of the patient in Swedish medical culture than in its American counterpart. This is according to Kenneth Ögren from Umeå University in Sweden. Whether a legitimate parallel can be drawn with their approach regarding the pandemics, is another matter I'm not really commenting on here.

by Moru 6y ago

dTal 6y ago

>Ehm, going back to that time to compare what is happening today? You do realize that this is Hitler times right? How was black people treated in USA at this time? This may not be the best comparison to make if you want to argue that everything is fine now.

V-2 6y ago

Contrary to popular belief (and to dismay of some users downvoting my comment for merely putting the historical facts straight), it's not just "Hitler times". Eugenics went on for considerably longer. Eg. compulsory sterilization, sterilization without consent, persisted well until 1970s. It was similar with lobotomy (carried out until mid- or late 1960s, I think). See https://www.umu.se/en/news/swedish-big-brother-behind-lobotomies-in-the-1940s-and-1950s_5839517/ https://www.umu.se/en/news/swedish-big-brother-behind-loboto... for an interesting take on the Swedish case: > Sweden was more accepting than the US in its attitude toward lobotomy in the 1940s and 1950s. A possible explanation for this may be the strength of paternalism in Sweden, that is, a greater tendency to make decisions on behalf of the patient in Swedish medical culture than in its American counterpart. This is according to Kenneth Ögren from Umeå University in Sweden. Whether a legitimate parallel can be drawn with their approach regarding the pandemics, is another matter I'm not really commenting on here.