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As far as I can see, this doesn't exist in the tech world (any more). Most Fortune 500 companies go out of their way to hire minorities, even if they are less q

As far as I can see, this doesn't exist in the tech world (any more). Most Fortune 500 companies go out of their way to hire minorities, even if they are less qualified. Colleges do the same. Minorities are not disadvantaged purely for their skin color in the tech world. They are disadvantaged because of their worse financial/education situation. And my point is that these traits that effect people in tech are not limited to PoC.

apendleton 6y ago
> As far as I can see, this doesn't exist in the tech world (any more) Bluntly: there's probably a lot that you can't see.
- malandrew 6y ago
  That's a vague and unsubstantiated statement. Can you provide examples and evidence of things you think the OP does not see.
  - TaylorAlexander 6y ago
    It makes sense to me. Its possible the poster is a person of color who simply never sees discrimination, but its more likely they are a white person who does not notice discrimination against people of color. When the James Damore essay swept google, I briefly asked my female friends if they could simply tell me what discrimination they experience. But they were too worn out from every male colleague asking them the same thing to explain it all to each one. What I realized I needed to do was start listening to women's stories more, and start believing things even when they don't make sense to me. I needed to be curious and look for problems that I had previously been blissfully unaware of. And with that change in mindset I started to see them. We have to do the same with people of color. We need to listen to their stories and believe them. It's hard to give you a bulleted list which would clearly explain discrimination just as it was hard (and tiring) for women to explain their discrimination to me. But if you take "there are things you are not seeing about racism at the workplace" to be true, you can begin to cultivate a mindset that allows you to learn what is happening.
  - rbg246 6y ago
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43708708-white-fragility https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43708708-white-fragility Great read, there is several chapters explaining the parents comment
TaylorAlexander 6y ago
You say that you do not see racism in the tech world. If it isn't happening to you, it can be very hard to see. Just as I did not see the sexism in the tech world until the James Damore essay blew up at google and we finally prioritized listening to women's stories. And then (after a lot of personal work I did with the help from my caring female friends) it became clear. So perhaps you do not see racism because you've assumed its not happening, and because it's not happening to you? From what I know about racism (as a white person), it must be impossible that the tech world is simply free of racism. It's just hard to see when you are not the victim. The answer I've found is to listen to people of color when they say they experience racism. Don't challenge each assertion, take it to be true and then look further for corroborating stories. You will find them.
DeonPenny 6y ago
Tech companies absolutely do not try hard enough to hire disadvantaged people color enough to offset the issue that comes with getting past interview processes staff with people with inherent prejudices. Regardless if they get in the pipeline an issue a disadvantaged minority will have will be getting railroaded by say, an engineer who doesn't like said minority regardless of his competence level. I think that your making assumption based on a lifestyle you don't live. You in the response a being flippant in saying well its not that bad. The fact is I doubt you have any idea. The fact is no is plenty of evidence that say with the same financial/education level a minority is disadvantaged and even with a greater financial/education level they are more disadvantaged. I think your living in a reality of how you think the world should be instead of the one that exists.
SamReidHughes 6y ago
Maybe in Utah or San Diego. In Silicon Valley, half the employees are foreign-born, many of which haven't been indoctrinated. So occasionally, a black developer there will end up at a different company than he otherwise would, and of course he'll spend a bit more time getting dressed in the morning. For founders dealing with VC, it's a different equation, so your intuition about "the tech world" doesn't exactly apply. Still, I agree with you. There isn't some untapped vein of black and latino American founders that other VC's are currently missing out on.

apendleton 6y ago

> As far as I can see, this doesn't exist in the tech world (any more) Bluntly: there's probably a lot that you can't see.

malandrew 6y ago
That's a vague and unsubstantiated statement. Can you provide examples and evidence of things you think the OP does not see.
- TaylorAlexander 6y ago
  It makes sense to me. Its possible the poster is a person of color who simply never sees discrimination, but its more likely they are a white person who does not notice discrimination against people of color. When the James Damore essay swept google, I briefly asked my female friends if they could simply tell me what discrimination they experience. But they were too worn out from every male colleague asking them the same thing to explain it all to each one. What I realized I needed to do was start listening to women's stories more, and start believing things even when they don't make sense to me. I needed to be curious and look for problems that I had previously been blissfully unaware of. And with that change in mindset I started to see them. We have to do the same with people of color. We need to listen to their stories and believe them. It's hard to give you a bulleted list which would clearly explain discrimination just as it was hard (and tiring) for women to explain their discrimination to me. But if you take "there are things you are not seeing about racism at the workplace" to be true, you can begin to cultivate a mindset that allows you to learn what is happening.
- rbg246 6y ago
  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43708708-white-fragility https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43708708-white-fragility Great read, there is several chapters explaining the parents comment

TaylorAlexander 6y ago

You say that you do not see racism in the tech world. If it isn't happening to you, it can be very hard to see. Just as I did not see the sexism in the tech world until the James Damore essay blew up at google and we finally prioritized listening to women's stories. And then (after a lot of personal work I did with the help from my caring female friends) it became clear. So perhaps you do not see racism because you've assumed its not happening, and because it's not happening to you? From what I know about racism (as a white person), it must be impossible that the tech world is simply free of racism. It's just hard to see when you are not the victim. The answer I've found is to listen to people of color when they say they experience racism. Don't challenge each assertion, take it to be true and then look further for corroborating stories. You will find them.

DeonPenny 6y ago

Tech companies absolutely do not try hard enough to hire disadvantaged people color enough to offset the issue that comes with getting past interview processes staff with people with inherent prejudices. Regardless if they get in the pipeline an issue a disadvantaged minority will have will be getting railroaded by say, an engineer who doesn't like said minority regardless of his competence level. I think that your making assumption based on a lifestyle you don't live. You in the response a being flippant in saying well its not that bad. The fact is I doubt you have any idea. The fact is no is plenty of evidence that say with the same financial/education level a minority is disadvantaged and even with a greater financial/education level they are more disadvantaged. I think your living in a reality of how you think the world should be instead of the one that exists.

SamReidHughes 6y ago

Maybe in Utah or San Diego. In Silicon Valley, half the employees are foreign-born, many of which haven't been indoctrinated. So occasionally, a black developer there will end up at a different company than he otherwise would, and of course he'll spend a bit more time getting dressed in the morning. For founders dealing with VC, it's a different equation, so your intuition about "the tech world" doesn't exactly apply. Still, I agree with you. There isn't some untapped vein of black and latino American founders that other VC's are currently missing out on.