> In an interview in "unherd", Giesecke estimated that the deaths in UK without lockdown would be in the 12,000 (when they where 13,000), then corrected himself

> In an interview in "unherd", Giesecke estimated that the deaths in UK without lockdown would be in the 12,000 (when they where 13,000), then corrected himself to 24,000 (they are almost 40,000 now), and then said they will not be 10x 12,000. That 40,000 number is "people who died, after testing positive, with a test administered by a Public Health or NHS laboratory" The actual number (excess mortality) is closer to 60,000.