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Hoping this is satire or somer sort of joke....but otherwise, Popular open source developers are using their platforms to advocate against oppression. This sho

Hoping this is satire or somer sort of joke....but otherwise, Popular open source developers are using their platforms to advocate against oppression. This should be encouraged, not discourage - regardless of what your political leanings are. Would you be just as upset if they wrote #AllLivesMatter? Probably not. This post is using open source as a thinly veiled guise to rant about "SJW"s (the use of that term alone should disqualify it). This shouldn't be on HN.

Yetanfou 6y ago
> open source developers are using their platforms to advocate against oppression. This should be encouraged, not discourage - regardless of what your political leanings are. What one person calls 'oppression' is another person's freedom. A drug-free society/the 'war on drugs' versus freedom of choice. Second amendment activists versus gun control. Freedom of expression versus various laws which either forbid or mandate the use of certain types of expression.
- geoah 6y ago
  So in this case “Getting killed by a cop in the street” vs “freedom for the police to murder people in cold blood “?
  - Yetanfou 6y ago
    You know that not to be true so why bring it up? It is difficult enough to discuss this subject as it is without this type of commentary.
smitty1e 6y ago
I have personally been denounced on social media for asking the question: "How is 'all lives matter' divisive in any way?" The response was "Oh, well, you know." No, really, I don't. "All" seems like an inclusive quantifier. The best understanding I can reach is that many of the arguments in circulation these days are NOT rational in nature.
- testbot123 6y ago
  "All lives matter" is divisive because "black lives matter" is a statement that black lives are largely devalued and forgotten in a system of institutionalized racism. "Black lives matter" leaves off the implied "too": "black lives matter, too." > "WTF is the impulse behind changing #BlackLivesMatter to #AllLivesMatter. Do you crash strangers' funerals shouting I TOO HAVE FELT LOSS" - @arthur_affect on Twitter
  - smitty1e 6y ago
    I feel as though this discussion has more to do with the control over the discussion than with the content of either phrase.
    - eesmith 6y ago
      Well, yes? That is, the phrase "all lives matter" seems like it's often used as a way to take control away from the discussion about largely devalued and forgotten black lives. If you want an explanation better than "Oh well, you know", you might start with the criticism section of its Wikipedia entry, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Lives_Matter#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Lives_Matter#Criticism .
      - Yetanfou 6y ago
        Who controls the discussion is not of importance, what is important is the subject matter - it is the search for the truth which should 'control the discussion'. In the case of BLM versus ALM the truth varies from location to location and from time to time. Systemic racism was a matter of fact in the first half of the previous century in the USA. This is not the case now in the largest part of the country, nor is it true in most parts of Europe. In other words, had BLM been around in the 1950's they would have been 'in control of the discussion' as they would have had the truth on their side. Nowadays this is not the case, those claims of 'systemic racism' are unfounded and easily refuted. Even a tragic death-by-abusive-police-conduct like this does not change the fact that systemic racism as held forth by groups like BLM is something of the past, not of the present. There are racist individuals, some of those may be in positions of power where they can effect racist policies over a limited amount of people but this is the exception, not the rule. When held to the light those racist policies tend to be struck down by the force of law. The policemen involved in the death of George Floyd now are in custody and will be tried, either for homicide or manslaughter. So, yes, All Lives Matter. Black lives just as much as other lives. By the way, Wikipedia is not exactly the best place to start looking for absolute truth around politically contentious issues. One of its founders has spoken out on the way the project dropped the original NPOV policy [1] and replaced it with something which purports to achieve the same goals but falls far from that. Judging from the examples he holds forth I assume that he leans more towards the conservative end of the political spectrum so those who lean towards what used to be called the progressive end might want to dismiss what he says outright. That would be just the wrong thing to do if what you're after is a repository of knowledge which is free from political bias - or at least as free as it can be given the fact that those articles are still written by human beings. [1] https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/ https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/

Yetanfou 6y ago

> open source developers are using their platforms to advocate against oppression. This should be encouraged, not discourage - regardless of what your political leanings are. What one person calls 'oppression' is another person's freedom. A drug-free society/the 'war on drugs' versus freedom of choice. Second amendment activists versus gun control. Freedom of expression versus various laws which either forbid or mandate the use of certain types of expression.

geoah 6y ago
So in this case “Getting killed by a cop in the street” vs “freedom for the police to murder people in cold blood “?
- Yetanfou 6y ago
  You know that not to be true so why bring it up? It is difficult enough to discuss this subject as it is without this type of commentary.

smitty1e 6y ago

I have personally been denounced on social media for asking the question: "How is 'all lives matter' divisive in any way?" The response was "Oh, well, you know." No, really, I don't. "All" seems like an inclusive quantifier. The best understanding I can reach is that many of the arguments in circulation these days are NOT rational in nature.

testbot123 6y ago
"All lives matter" is divisive because "black lives matter" is a statement that black lives are largely devalued and forgotten in a system of institutionalized racism. "Black lives matter" leaves off the implied "too": "black lives matter, too." > "WTF is the impulse behind changing #BlackLivesMatter to #AllLivesMatter. Do you crash strangers' funerals shouting I TOO HAVE FELT LOSS" - @arthur_affect on Twitter
- smitty1e 6y ago
  I feel as though this discussion has more to do with the control over the discussion than with the content of either phrase.
  - eesmith 6y ago
    Well, yes? That is, the phrase "all lives matter" seems like it's often used as a way to take control away from the discussion about largely devalued and forgotten black lives. If you want an explanation better than "Oh well, you know", you might start with the criticism section of its Wikipedia entry, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Lives_Matter#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Lives_Matter#Criticism .
    - Yetanfou 6y ago
      Who controls the discussion is not of importance, what is important is the subject matter - it is the search for the truth which should 'control the discussion'. In the case of BLM versus ALM the truth varies from location to location and from time to time. Systemic racism was a matter of fact in the first half of the previous century in the USA. This is not the case now in the largest part of the country, nor is it true in most parts of Europe. In other words, had BLM been around in the 1950's they would have been 'in control of the discussion' as they would have had the truth on their side. Nowadays this is not the case, those claims of 'systemic racism' are unfounded and easily refuted. Even a tragic death-by-abusive-police-conduct like this does not change the fact that systemic racism as held forth by groups like BLM is something of the past, not of the present. There are racist individuals, some of those may be in positions of power where they can effect racist policies over a limited amount of people but this is the exception, not the rule. When held to the light those racist policies tend to be struck down by the force of law. The policemen involved in the death of George Floyd now are in custody and will be tried, either for homicide or manslaughter. So, yes, All Lives Matter. Black lives just as much as other lives. By the way, Wikipedia is not exactly the best place to start looking for absolute truth around politically contentious issues. One of its founders has spoken out on the way the project dropped the original NPOV policy [1] and replaced it with something which purports to achieve the same goals but falls far from that. Judging from the examples he holds forth I assume that he leans more towards the conservative end of the political spectrum so those who lean towards what used to be called the progressive end might want to dismiss what he says outright. That would be just the wrong thing to do if what you're after is a repository of knowledge which is free from political bias - or at least as free as it can be given the fact that those articles are still written by human beings. [1] https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/ https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/