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I would imagine most people who read "new" are themselves just checking on their own submissions, which might bias the type of things upvoted (for example a pos

I would imagine most people who read "new" are themselves just checking on their own submissions, which might bias the type of things upvoted (for example a post on how to get traction on HN might be biased). Might I suggest a feature that gives all new posts some spot on the front page, even if for just a short while?

dang 6y ago
We tried that a while back. It didn't go well. Let me see if I can find what I posted about it. Edit: Here's one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21868928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21868928. I'm pretty sure I posted about it elsewhere too.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  A somewhat related question since you’re here: do you have any ideas for people who don’t really vote to do this kind of dredging? Personally, I tend to use upvote/downvote a lot more cautiously than most people, treating it as some might consider “favorite” or “flag” (in fact, I run into the dilemma on which to use quite frequently; a notable narcissistic exception is that I will upvote my content if it’s posted here). I’d like to be able to mark something as “this is on-topic for Hacker News” but not mark it as “I liked it”, which I can’t really find a button for as upvoting does both…
  - dang 6y ago
    I agree that "on topic vs. off topic" and "like vs. dislike" are two different signals, and it's possible that "on topic vs. off topic" is actually the more valuable signal for surfacing good stories. But how would we encode this in the UI? The upvote arrow is by now a standard UI mechanism. It isn't obvious how we might factor it into two completely different things.
    - user5994461 6y ago
      I check the new section from time to time and I agree with the link you posted that there is a lot of junk/spam in there. It's no surprise that they can't just be randomly put into the main pages. Having a look at the 15 latest submissions for example. I roughly see: SEO spam, trump spam, a super complex physics paper, 4 well known news site, 3 university websites, VC spam, spam, one pdf download, a couple of articles, etc... I think HN could do with a "curated new" section besides the general "new" section. A bit of filtering to remove high volume subjects (virus, climate, trump) and to remove major news sites (new york times, bbc and co) and maybe university/paper sites. That should leave room to lower volume sites and personal blogs. Maybe filter to domains that had at least one article with 100 votes in the past years and see what's left.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      Well, there's also the flag mechanism for the negative direction. Perhaps there could be a way to flag something as off-topic without filling up the moderator queue?
- orf 6y ago
  It seems the major issue was people not expecting this content, or understanding that it was actually “new” and randomly selected. Why not highlight the post in a different colour, or otherwise make it obvious that this is possibly garbage?
  - dang 6y ago
    I think that would just add more noise.

dang 6y ago

We tried that a while back. It didn't go well. Let me see if I can find what I posted about it. Edit: Here's one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21868928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21868928. I'm pretty sure I posted about it elsewhere too.

saagarjha 6y ago
A somewhat related question since you’re here: do you have any ideas for people who don’t really vote to do this kind of dredging? Personally, I tend to use upvote/downvote a lot more cautiously than most people, treating it as some might consider “favorite” or “flag” (in fact, I run into the dilemma on which to use quite frequently; a notable narcissistic exception is that I will upvote my content if it’s posted here). I’d like to be able to mark something as “this is on-topic for Hacker News” but not mark it as “I liked it”, which I can’t really find a button for as upvoting does both…
- dang 6y ago
  I agree that "on topic vs. off topic" and "like vs. dislike" are two different signals, and it's possible that "on topic vs. off topic" is actually the more valuable signal for surfacing good stories. But how would we encode this in the UI? The upvote arrow is by now a standard UI mechanism. It isn't obvious how we might factor it into two completely different things.
  - user5994461 6y ago
    I check the new section from time to time and I agree with the link you posted that there is a lot of junk/spam in there. It's no surprise that they can't just be randomly put into the main pages. Having a look at the 15 latest submissions for example. I roughly see: SEO spam, trump spam, a super complex physics paper, 4 well known news site, 3 university websites, VC spam, spam, one pdf download, a couple of articles, etc... I think HN could do with a "curated new" section besides the general "new" section. A bit of filtering to remove high volume subjects (virus, climate, trump) and to remove major news sites (new york times, bbc and co) and maybe university/paper sites. That should leave room to lower volume sites and personal blogs. Maybe filter to domains that had at least one article with 100 votes in the past years and see what's left.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    Well, there's also the flag mechanism for the negative direction. Perhaps there could be a way to flag something as off-topic without filling up the moderator queue?
orf 6y ago
It seems the major issue was people not expecting this content, or understanding that it was actually “new” and randomly selected. Why not highlight the post in a different colour, or otherwise make it obvious that this is possibly garbage?
- dang 6y ago
  I think that would just add more noise.