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When does one decide to give people second-chances?

by Konohamaru 6y ago

rickbutton 6y ago
Who says everyone gets a second chance?
- Konohamaru 6y ago
  That kind of attitude assumes you're law-abiding, civic, and righteous enough to never need one. Or you're not one of those people but nonetheless choose to reject second chances (even though there's a risk it will be used against you) in the spirit of self sacrifice for the common good.
manquer 6y ago
Second chance at the same thing he got caught for ? no one would be bothered for him to become VP / consultant and advising customers like the guy in wolf of Wall Street . It is completely different when is asking people trust with him money
paulgb 6y ago
Giving him a second chance means letting him out of jail, not trusting him immediately with large sums of money when he gets out.
- WJW 6y ago
  Nobody is forced to invest with him though. It's not like the government is forcing money onto him, people can choose to invest or not. If you think the legal punishment for securities fraud should include being barred from running investment funds ever again, that is a fair position but it's not part of the law right now and it was not part of his sentence. Petition your local politician and/or run for office yourself if you feel strongly about it and want to change it. He served his sentence and when he got out he went to get a job in the field he's most experienced in. Can't really blame him for that.
joncrane 6y ago
Some would argue that he made enough of his first chance to merit being passed over in the "second chance" lottery. His second chance is going and living out a quiet existence, maybe volunteering or working on his golf handicap, raising foster puppies, whatever.
r00fus 6y ago
Ok, I'll bite: would you give a mass murderer a second chance? The financial/moral cost of Enron was stochastically as bad as that at least.
- catoc 6y ago
  ... or someone who poked out one of your eyes? I mean you can't just blindly trust this guy.
watwut 6y ago
Second chance in running financial operation? Probably never in this case. Normal job with little power and little ability to fraud would be fine.
UncleEntity 6y ago
> When does one decide to give people second-chances? I don't think anyone is denying them a second chance but merely suggesting they probably aren't the safest option to invest your money in due to the immense amount of fraud they got up to. Fool me once, shame on you...
nraynaud 6y ago
His second chance is to put groceries on the shelves under close supervision, if he can do it long enough without incident, he can be trained to be a cashier. But in a management position? I'd need 15 years of employment without incident.

When does one decide to give people second-chances?

rickbutton 6y ago

Who says everyone gets a second chance?

Konohamaru 6y ago
That kind of attitude assumes you're law-abiding, civic, and righteous enough to never need one. Or you're not one of those people but nonetheless choose to reject second chances (even though there's a risk it will be used against you) in the spirit of self sacrifice for the common good.

manquer 6y ago

Second chance at the same thing he got caught for ? no one would be bothered for him to become VP / consultant and advising customers like the guy in wolf of Wall Street . It is completely different when is asking people trust with him money

paulgb 6y ago

Giving him a second chance means letting him out of jail, not trusting him immediately with large sums of money when he gets out.

WJW 6y ago
Nobody is forced to invest with him though. It's not like the government is forcing money onto him, people can choose to invest or not. If you think the legal punishment for securities fraud should include being barred from running investment funds ever again, that is a fair position but it's not part of the law right now and it was not part of his sentence. Petition your local politician and/or run for office yourself if you feel strongly about it and want to change it. He served his sentence and when he got out he went to get a job in the field he's most experienced in. Can't really blame him for that.

joncrane 6y ago

Some would argue that he made enough of his first chance to merit being passed over in the "second chance" lottery. His second chance is going and living out a quiet existence, maybe volunteering or working on his golf handicap, raising foster puppies, whatever.

r00fus 6y ago

Ok, I'll bite: would you give a mass murderer a second chance? The financial/moral cost of Enron was stochastically as bad as that at least.

catoc 6y ago
... or someone who poked out one of your eyes? I mean you can't just blindly trust this guy.

watwut 6y ago

Second chance in running financial operation? Probably never in this case. Normal job with little power and little ability to fraud would be fine.

UncleEntity 6y ago

> When does one decide to give people second-chances? I don't think anyone is denying them a second chance but merely suggesting they probably aren't the safest option to invest your money in due to the immense amount of fraud they got up to. Fool me once, shame on you...

nraynaud 6y ago

His second chance is to put groceries on the shelves under close supervision, if he can do it long enough without incident, he can be trained to be a cashier. But in a management position? I'd need 15 years of employment without incident.