The day is closer than most here on HN think. TikTok is doing extremely well and rapidly gaining users. They demonstrate a good knowledge of everything that SV

The day is closer than most here on HN think. TikTok is doing extremely well and rapidly gaining users. They demonstrate a good knowledge of everything that SV typically does and are based entirely out of China. These arguments about culture are laughable. TikTok is basically the engine of culture now among teens and is playing a big part in the current protests. Zoom has its engineering based in China. This means two of the fastest growing consumer products today are built by Chinese software engineers. The Chinese are also at the bleeding edge of Machine Learning and are taking baby steps in building cloud services. With the elimination of Huawei from Western tech ecosystem they will be forced to build an entire stack from Silicon => Pixels and its well within their reach in the next decade. IntelliJ which everyone here swears by is built entirely out of Russia. All FANGs are rapidly scaling up their presence outside the US in locations like Europe/Canada to hedge US visa issues which will intensify over time. The only way to employ non US software engineers along with western ones might be to have offices in non US western countries.