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Suppose Tim Cook’s daughter was arrested in Thailand for Apple’s alleged breach of China’s sanctions against Saudi Arabia. How would you Americans feel about t

by chvid 6y ago

Suppose Tim Cook’s daughter was arrested in Thailand for Apple’s alleged breach of China’s sanctions against Saudi Arabia. How would you Americans feel about that?

shliachtx 6y ago
> Suppose ~Tim Cook’s daughter~ the CFO of Apple was arrested in Thailand for Apple’s alleged breach of China’s sanctions against Saudi Arabia. The CFO of the company is responsible for the company's financial behavior, being the daughter of the founder does not exempt her.
- xster 6y ago
  The CFOs of Banco do Brasil, Bank of America, Bank of Guam, Bank of Moscow, Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, Barclays, BNP Paribas, Clearstream Banking, Commerzbank, Compass, Crédit Agricole, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, ING, Intesa Sanpaolo, JP Morgan Chase, National Bank of Abu Dhabi, National Bank of Pakistan, PayPal, RBS (ABN Amro), Société Générale, Toronto-Dominion Bank, Trans-Pacific National Bank, Standard Chartered, and Wells Fargo enter the chat. https://archive.is/kyKGf https://archive.is/kyKGf
  - eee_honda 6y ago
    You and i both know that person is not going to change their views based on new info.
  - dirtyid 6y ago
    US DoJ initiative to extradite Chinese nationals month before her arrest. [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-jeff-sessions-announces-new-initiative-combat-chinese-economic-espionage https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-jeff-ses... There's a reason some US analysts compared her arrest and escalation reminiscent of coldwar kidnapping. It's easy to engineer legal rationales to justify any action, that's why IR operates more on norms than rule of law. Pair this with China being the first "great power competitor that is not Caucasian" and it's not hard to see why other banks just get fines. Hint: same reason some group get fines for drug violations while other goto jail.
  - shliachtx 6y ago
    That may very well be the case, it does appear to be selective enforcement - but the comment I was responding to made it sound as if the person arrested was merely related to the CEO, when she is in fact the CFO.
DeonPenny 6y ago
Like she probably shouldn't be doing that. Also, I'd imagine like when mark Zuckerberg got told to go to Europe courts to address them I'd expect Tim's daughter to comply or be arrested in America and at least tried for extradition. American isn't really fond of tech CEO right now. This is probably a bad time to bring this up.
washitallaway 6y ago
Did Tim Cook's daughter lie to Bank of China about those sales? Is Tim Cook majority shareholder of Apple? This is false equivalency. The US won't stand idly by while China undermines it's interests on the back of it's financial system.
CogitoCogito 6y ago
> Suppose Tim Cook’s daughter was arrested in Thailand for Apple’s alleged breach of China’s sanctions against Saudi Arabia. > How would you Americans feel about that? I can't speak for America in general, but given how this question is posed, I'll respond. I don't know Tim Cook nor his daughter so I wouldn't really take it personally. I guess I'd wonder whether any local laws supposedly were broken as Canada claims is the case with Meng Wanzhou. In that case, I guess I'd wait for the case to go through the motions. I would personally find it extremely odd if Tim Cook's daughter would warrant any sort of official intervention by the US government beyond what I (a nobody) would personally receive.
- samsonradu 6y ago
  It’s not so odd, remember the Rocky Asap event: https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-49122557 https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-49122557
  - CogitoCogito 6y ago
    _Everything_ about the Trump-Rocky affair was odd.
xster 6y ago
This is actually a bit of an incomplete comparison :) It'd be more like imperial Russia owning profits to French mines it colonized. The French revolution happens and elects a national leader who keeps the country's natural resources for its own citizen. China comes in and overthrows the French government, then installs a Chinese puppet. China helps the puppet government build 23 nuclear reactors to solidify its rule but the puppet gets overthrown anyway because the secret police tortured and executed too many people. China then gets its other puppet Germany to attack the new French republic. Attack fails and German puppet gets bombed after going rogue for starting to sell oil in Rubles but I digress... China then tries to economically choke the new French republic under the pretext that France has 'nuclear ambitions'. Tim Cook from America fails to follow China's sanctions then gets his daughter arrested in Thailand for having business transactions with France (despite most China friendly banks not having personal consequences for transacting with France https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-war-on-huawei-meng-wanzhou-arrest-by-jeffrey-d-sachs-2018-12 https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-war-on-hu...).
ww520 6y ago
Did Tim Cook's daughter smuggle products from China to Saudi Arabia and use banks in China to route the money and lie to the banks about it? If yes, sure she deserved to stand trial.
xxpor 6y ago
We would be upset. The difference is the US has more power here, so it wins. That's how international diplomacy works. It's realpolitik all the way down.
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tlear 6y ago
PRC grabbed Canadian hostages. There is no need to wonder what happens. How they are treated and how Meng is treated is all we really need to know about PRC

by chvid 6y ago

Suppose Tim Cook’s daughter was arrested in Thailand for Apple’s alleged breach of China’s sanctions against Saudi Arabia. How would you Americans feel about that?

shliachtx 6y ago

> Suppose ~Tim Cook’s daughter~ the CFO of Apple was arrested in Thailand for Apple’s alleged breach of China’s sanctions against Saudi Arabia. The CFO of the company is responsible for the company's financial behavior, being the daughter of the founder does not exempt her.

xster 6y ago
The CFOs of Banco do Brasil, Bank of America, Bank of Guam, Bank of Moscow, Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, Barclays, BNP Paribas, Clearstream Banking, Commerzbank, Compass, Crédit Agricole, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, ING, Intesa Sanpaolo, JP Morgan Chase, National Bank of Abu Dhabi, National Bank of Pakistan, PayPal, RBS (ABN Amro), Société Générale, Toronto-Dominion Bank, Trans-Pacific National Bank, Standard Chartered, and Wells Fargo enter the chat. https://archive.is/kyKGf https://archive.is/kyKGf
- eee_honda 6y ago
  You and i both know that person is not going to change their views based on new info.
- dirtyid 6y ago
  US DoJ initiative to extradite Chinese nationals month before her arrest. [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-jeff-sessions-announces-new-initiative-combat-chinese-economic-espionage https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-jeff-ses... There's a reason some US analysts compared her arrest and escalation reminiscent of coldwar kidnapping. It's easy to engineer legal rationales to justify any action, that's why IR operates more on norms than rule of law. Pair this with China being the first "great power competitor that is not Caucasian" and it's not hard to see why other banks just get fines. Hint: same reason some group get fines for drug violations while other goto jail.
- shliachtx 6y ago
  That may very well be the case, it does appear to be selective enforcement - but the comment I was responding to made it sound as if the person arrested was merely related to the CEO, when she is in fact the CFO.

DeonPenny 6y ago

Like she probably shouldn't be doing that. Also, I'd imagine like when mark Zuckerberg got told to go to Europe courts to address them I'd expect Tim's daughter to comply or be arrested in America and at least tried for extradition. American isn't really fond of tech CEO right now. This is probably a bad time to bring this up.

washitallaway 6y ago

Did Tim Cook's daughter lie to Bank of China about those sales? Is Tim Cook majority shareholder of Apple? This is false equivalency. The US won't stand idly by while China undermines it's interests on the back of it's financial system.

CogitoCogito 6y ago

> Suppose Tim Cook’s daughter was arrested in Thailand for Apple’s alleged breach of China’s sanctions against Saudi Arabia. > How would you Americans feel about that? I can't speak for America in general, but given how this question is posed, I'll respond. I don't know Tim Cook nor his daughter so I wouldn't really take it personally. I guess I'd wonder whether any local laws supposedly were broken as Canada claims is the case with Meng Wanzhou. In that case, I guess I'd wait for the case to go through the motions. I would personally find it extremely odd if Tim Cook's daughter would warrant any sort of official intervention by the US government beyond what I (a nobody) would personally receive.

samsonradu 6y ago
It’s not so odd, remember the Rocky Asap event: https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-49122557 https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-49122557
- CogitoCogito 6y ago
  _Everything_ about the Trump-Rocky affair was odd.

xster 6y ago

This is actually a bit of an incomplete comparison :) It'd be more like imperial Russia owning profits to French mines it colonized. The French revolution happens and elects a national leader who keeps the country's natural resources for its own citizen. China comes in and overthrows the French government, then installs a Chinese puppet. China helps the puppet government build 23 nuclear reactors to solidify its rule but the puppet gets overthrown anyway because the secret police tortured and executed too many people. China then gets its other puppet Germany to attack the new French republic. Attack fails and German puppet gets bombed after going rogue for starting to sell oil in Rubles but I digress... China then tries to economically choke the new French republic under the pretext that France has 'nuclear ambitions'. Tim Cook from America fails to follow China's sanctions then gets his daughter arrested in Thailand for having business transactions with France (despite most China friendly banks not having personal consequences for transacting with France https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-war-on-huawei-meng-wanzhou-arrest-by-jeffrey-d-sachs-2018-12 https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-war-on-hu...).

ww520 6y ago

Did Tim Cook's daughter smuggle products from China to Saudi Arabia and use banks in China to route the money and lie to the banks about it? If yes, sure she deserved to stand trial.

xxpor 6y ago

We would be upset. The difference is the US has more power here, so it wins. That's how international diplomacy works. It's realpolitik all the way down.

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tlear 6y ago

PRC grabbed Canadian hostages. There is no need to wonder what happens. How they are treated and how Meng is treated is all we really need to know about PRC