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Yes, it does. I don't want to have city documents in some cloud.

by dunefox 6y ago

bostonpete 6y ago
Why not? Seems unreasonable to expect that every city can manage their own secure data store...
- coronadisaster 6y ago
  my small city wastes money on much less useful stuff... like fireworks and such
  - lrem 6y ago
    That is not a strict priority list. It is not unheard of to burn some money on celebrations and decorations, while cutting budgets in the essentials. The appropriate question to ask is: at which size can you afford a competent security team in-house for what you would pay for a secure cloud offering. I would actually love to know the answer to that question.
    - coronadisaster 6y ago
      They need to get their priorities straight when spending tax money.
- dunefox 6y ago
  Because very likely that would be another US company again. The whole point is to become less reliant on US companies.
  - occamrazor 6y ago
    There are German cloud providers (DT, 1&1, Hetzner, Exoscale are the best known)
aequitas 6y ago
"The Cloud" is just someone else's computer, or datacenter in this case. So if they would not be storing it in the cloud where would they store it? That would be either a datacenter from a big party that manages multiple municipalities as well as other government/for profit organisations IT. Most often this will be the lowest bidder for a public tender. I don't know if they would be any better or worse than the big cloud vendors. The only alternative is (shudder) a "datacenter" managed by the municipality itself. For big cities that might work. For smaller ones it's a recipe for disaster.
hitpointdrew 6y ago
> city documents You realize that AWS/AZURE ect. all have GOVERNMENT contracts right? They have special infrastructure and portals just for government customers.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > They have special infrastructure and portals just for government customers. The special infrastructure is for users subject to certain federal government data rules, which isn't coextensive with “government customers”. Most government use of cloud services from the big public cloud vendors is exactly the public commercial offering. Most government data is, both legally and practically, less protected than HIPAA PHI, which both government and non-government customers use commercial cloud offerings for.
trimbo 6y ago
I'd much prefer it to having cities hacked with Ryuk again and again and again... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/lake-city-florida-ransom-cyberattack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/lake-city-florida-rans...

Yes, it does. I don't want to have city documents in some cloud.

bostonpete 6y ago

Why not? Seems unreasonable to expect that every city can manage their own secure data store...

coronadisaster 6y ago
my small city wastes money on much less useful stuff... like fireworks and such
- lrem 6y ago
  That is not a strict priority list. It is not unheard of to burn some money on celebrations and decorations, while cutting budgets in the essentials. The appropriate question to ask is: at which size can you afford a competent security team in-house for what you would pay for a secure cloud offering. I would actually love to know the answer to that question.
  - coronadisaster 6y ago
    They need to get their priorities straight when spending tax money.
dunefox 6y ago
Because very likely that would be another US company again. The whole point is to become less reliant on US companies.
- occamrazor 6y ago
  There are German cloud providers (DT, 1&1, Hetzner, Exoscale are the best known)

aequitas 6y ago

"The Cloud" is just someone else's computer, or datacenter in this case. So if they would not be storing it in the cloud where would they store it? That would be either a datacenter from a big party that manages multiple municipalities as well as other government/for profit organisations IT. Most often this will be the lowest bidder for a public tender. I don't know if they would be any better or worse than the big cloud vendors. The only alternative is (shudder) a "datacenter" managed by the municipality itself. For big cities that might work. For smaller ones it's a recipe for disaster.

hitpointdrew 6y ago

> city documents You realize that AWS/AZURE ect. all have GOVERNMENT contracts right? They have special infrastructure and portals just for government customers.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> They have special infrastructure and portals just for government customers. The special infrastructure is for users subject to certain federal government data rules, which isn't coextensive with “government customers”. Most government use of cloud services from the big public cloud vendors is exactly the public commercial offering. Most government data is, both legally and practically, less protected than HIPAA PHI, which both government and non-government customers use commercial cloud offerings for.

trimbo 6y ago

I'd much prefer it to having cities hacked with Ryuk again and again and again... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/lake-city-florida-ransom-cyberattack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/us/lake-city-florida-rans...