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You do know that most Republicans feel the same way about Republican politicians "Republicans haven’t had the courage to take a real position for a long time.

by syshum 6y ago

You do know that most Republicans feel the same way about Republican politicians "Republicans haven’t had the courage to take a real position for a long time. Their program is basically to run as the slightly better Democrats".

pnw_hazor 6y ago
There was the tea party movement that did shift the GOP and then later there was the election of Trump as well. These were reactions against the RNC establishment. The democratic establishment has not had to deal with any thing like this. With the rise of AOC, Sen. Warren, and Sanders it seemed like the DNC was going to lose some power, but alas. Nominating Biden for President is the same as if the GOP nominated Jeb Bush. A clear sign that change is not on the horizon. Edit-to-add: I guess the election of President Obama was a reaction against the DNC somewhat and even Bill Clinton as well. But, in the end neither moved the needle.
- karatestomp 6y ago
  Obama's pushing in the media as an "up and comer" felt like typical party messaging and positioning. I think he just surprised them when he "up and came" faster than they wanted him to, but I suspect his prominence in the first place was planned and intended by party insiders. [EDIT] I mean the messaging concerning him and his prominence before he announced a Presidential run. It's no accident that there was a lot of chatter about him well before that on national media, all the sudden. Felt like official party grooming via the media.
Ididntdothis 6y ago
“You do know that most Republicans feel the same way about Republican politicians” I know that. And that’s what gave us Trump. Both parties have to pretend doing something for the little guy while being dependent on pleasing their big money donors. That’s why they can’t take a clear position. Trump just upped the game with his rhetoric. Most Trump voters I know like him because they think he isn’t part of the corrupt establishment. You can argue whether that’s true or not but that’s what people think.

by syshum 6y ago

pnw_hazor 6y ago

There was the tea party movement that did shift the GOP and then later there was the election of Trump as well. These were reactions against the RNC establishment. The democratic establishment has not had to deal with any thing like this. With the rise of AOC, Sen. Warren, and Sanders it seemed like the DNC was going to lose some power, but alas. Nominating Biden for President is the same as if the GOP nominated Jeb Bush. A clear sign that change is not on the horizon. Edit-to-add: I guess the election of President Obama was a reaction against the DNC somewhat and even Bill Clinton as well. But, in the end neither moved the needle.

karatestomp 6y ago
Obama's pushing in the media as an "up and comer" felt like typical party messaging and positioning. I think he just surprised them when he "up and came" faster than they wanted him to, but I suspect his prominence in the first place was planned and intended by party insiders. [EDIT] I mean the messaging concerning him and his prominence before he announced a Presidential run. It's no accident that there was a lot of chatter about him well before that on national media, all the sudden. Felt like official party grooming via the media.

Ididntdothis 6y ago

“You do know that most Republicans feel the same way about Republican politicians” I know that. And that’s what gave us Trump. Both parties have to pretend doing something for the little guy while being dependent on pleasing their big money donors. That’s why they can’t take a clear position. Trump just upped the game with his rhetoric. Most Trump voters I know like him because they think he isn’t part of the corrupt establishment. You can argue whether that’s true or not but that’s what people think.