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Yes because the entire Republican establishment changed their policy and objectives to essentially focusing on opposing anything and everything he tried to do -

Yes because the entire Republican establishment changed their policy and objectives to essentially focusing on opposing anything and everything he tried to do - no matter how reasonable or how much compromise Obama made. And they admitted that was their only strategy. Stop governing and just oppose. To try to stop his reelection. That's when this country went off the rails.

AtHeartEngineer 6y ago
Good ole Mitch
floren 6y ago
> Stop governing and just oppose. To try to stop his reelection. Boy I'm glad nothing like that happened after 2016
- mikepurvis 6y ago
  The democrats have continually come to the table— it's still the republicans obstructing. Remember DACA-for-wall? http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-immigration-deal-trump-shouldve-taken-didnt http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-immigration-deal...
- Tostino 6y ago
  That's simply false. They have, over and over, come to the table to work with Trump. It's a point of frustration for me considering how little compromise they have been able to achieve.
  - logfromblammo 6y ago
    Also frustrating considering that Republicans set their asking price at unalloyed, unmitigated evil, and allow themselves to be haggled down to merely abhorrent. Then Democrats give it to them. It's like trying to sell a banana for $100000 and agreeing to settle for $1000, then crying "but I already gave up 99% of what I wanted!" in order to justify taking $999 profit on a $1 fruit. I would respect Democrats more if they had a "F.U. moment" and did something like arresting and imprisoning executive employees under the capitol building for contempt of Congress, for failure to produce documents necessary for oversight, that are required by law to be furnished on demand. In the 2015 parlance of Back to the Future Part 2, they "got no scrote".
- kmonsen 6y ago
  Can't believe someone is saying this right now. DNC is currently behaving as if they were the party in power trying to fix the corona issues and the GOP is like maybe we will let you get test if you give us tax cuts for the rich. It is completely abnormal that the party in power walks away from any responsibility and the other party has to negotiate to stabilize the country.
  - mikepurvis 6y ago
    "Can't believe someone is saying this right now." Yeah, this is definitely the endgame of "both sides" equivocating at all levels— all media is equally unreliable, all politicians are equally corrupt, all people are treated equally by police, Obama's EOs were just as bad as Trump's. It's super harmful to the state of discourse when people are unable to see the shades of grey on these things.
    - kmonsen 6y ago
      I mean yes, but that doesn't really cover it. Many people think the DNC is bending too far over and getting played at the moment. Like the approved the Trump slush fund, and he said what oversight? It is not normal for the opposition party to be this nice in any way. They are tried to save states like this is some kind of partisan issue, and McConnell is lol, why don't they just declare bankruptcy? Normally I would agree with the shades of grey but currently there is just no factual justification. Also on rule of law, and constraining the police brutality. I mean it is hard to take this pushback seriously.
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BatFastard 6y ago
Disagree, the country went off the rails with Newt Gingrich. He was the beginning of the end of moderates in this country.

AtHeartEngineer 6y ago

Good ole Mitch

floren 6y ago

> Stop governing and just oppose. To try to stop his reelection. Boy I'm glad nothing like that happened after 2016

mikepurvis 6y ago
The democrats have continually come to the table— it's still the republicans obstructing. Remember DACA-for-wall? http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-immigration-deal-trump-shouldve-taken-didnt http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-immigration-deal...
Tostino 6y ago
That's simply false. They have, over and over, come to the table to work with Trump. It's a point of frustration for me considering how little compromise they have been able to achieve.
- logfromblammo 6y ago
  Also frustrating considering that Republicans set their asking price at unalloyed, unmitigated evil, and allow themselves to be haggled down to merely abhorrent. Then Democrats give it to them. It's like trying to sell a banana for $100000 and agreeing to settle for $1000, then crying "but I already gave up 99% of what I wanted!" in order to justify taking $999 profit on a $1 fruit. I would respect Democrats more if they had a "F.U. moment" and did something like arresting and imprisoning executive employees under the capitol building for contempt of Congress, for failure to produce documents necessary for oversight, that are required by law to be furnished on demand. In the 2015 parlance of Back to the Future Part 2, they "got no scrote".
kmonsen 6y ago
Can't believe someone is saying this right now. DNC is currently behaving as if they were the party in power trying to fix the corona issues and the GOP is like maybe we will let you get test if you give us tax cuts for the rich. It is completely abnormal that the party in power walks away from any responsibility and the other party has to negotiate to stabilize the country.
- mikepurvis 6y ago
  "Can't believe someone is saying this right now." Yeah, this is definitely the endgame of "both sides" equivocating at all levels— all media is equally unreliable, all politicians are equally corrupt, all people are treated equally by police, Obama's EOs were just as bad as Trump's. It's super harmful to the state of discourse when people are unable to see the shades of grey on these things.
  - kmonsen 6y ago
    I mean yes, but that doesn't really cover it. Many people think the DNC is bending too far over and getting played at the moment. Like the approved the Trump slush fund, and he said what oversight? It is not normal for the opposition party to be this nice in any way. They are tried to save states like this is some kind of partisan issue, and McConnell is lol, why don't they just declare bankruptcy? Normally I would agree with the shades of grey but currently there is just no factual justification. Also on rule of law, and constraining the police brutality. I mean it is hard to take this pushback seriously.

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BatFastard 6y ago

Disagree, the country went off the rails with Newt Gingrich. He was the beginning of the end of moderates in this country.