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>Mr. Epstein created the company in 2013 and told government officials in the Virgin Islands that it was involved in DNA analysis and research. This almost see

>Mr. Epstein created the company in 2013 and told government officials in the Virgin Islands that it was involved in DNA analysis and research. This almost seems like he was acknowledging in a "wink-wink" manner the sexual nature of what was really happening. DNA analysis and research requires a lot of talent and infrastructure and putting it on an remote island is not the best idea. But calling engaging in sex "DNA analysis and research" is almost at the level of what passes as a joke in middle school. This almost seems like an inside joke between the Virgin Islands officials and Epstein about the true nature of what was really going on.

ta17711771 6y ago
It's very common for the elite to openly reference what they're doing, crime-wise, because 1) It's easy to hide in plain sight, and 2) Who's going to stop them, you? Epstein's probably on an island right now.
- save_ferris 6y ago
  It’s pretty well established that he’s dead.
  - pepsithrowaway 6y ago
    Oh really. And do you have a source for that? How do you explain the strange happenings where he was being held? :}
  - seph-reed 6y ago
    I don't know anyone believes anything anymore. He could be dead. He could be alive. He could have even committed suicide. I honestly believe the only way we'll ever get the truth from elites is with "advanced interrogation" tactics.
    - save_ferris 6y ago
      Images of his body and the crime scene have been released to the public by the coroner. In order for any of this speculation around him being alive is true, you realize that this conspiracy would have to involve dozens of people at least, right? Look, I get the speculation around the circumstances of his death. He was a bad dude that had a lot of powerful friends. But to seriously consider that one or more of his friends would go out of their way to save his life by faking his death is completely ridiculous. If anything, his powerful friends had tremendous incentive to have him killed once he was detained. Just because our world is being polluted by conspiratorial thinking doesn’t mean we can just stop thinking on a basic level. A plot to fake Epstein’s death makes absolutely zero sense. An ordered hit? Sure, there’s a logical explanation there. But a faked death is such a lazy and absent-minded conspiracy theory.
      - felipeko 6y ago
        I'm not denying that it is harder to fake a death than to just order a hit. But if he had a dead man's switch, it could be worth the cost. And with how unusual the whole 'suicide' was, accepting the official story at face value is arguably lazier than suspecting it.
        save_ferris 6y ago
        But if he had a dead man’s switch, wouldn’t it have been easier and lower risk to use state resources to penetrate his network and disable it? It’s not like a dead man’s switch is insurmountable, and when you’re entertaining these ideas of people who have vast amounts of power, doesn’t the simplest solution still make the most sense? How does an institution with an infinite amount of power fear one man? That’s the lazy paradox I see here. The government is all-powerful but wants to let one guy with a bunch of dirt on people live, even though they have the power to do whatever they want? And they choose to fake his death instead of coercing a prosecutor to slap him with charges that don’t stick or manipulating the jury? There are just so many more plausible ways that this plays out instead of faking his death. As I said above, I think there are legitimate reasons to suspect foul play in his death. But a conspiracy involving the prison, the coroner and EMTs, the DA, whoever transported him, and whoever else you’d need to carry it out just gets so fantastical so fast. I’m not saying I believe the official story here, but people don’t consider the social implications of some of these conspiracies. It’s like the people who think the moon landing was fake. Thousands of engineers, scientists, builders, etc. worked to get us to the moon. Anyone can read the source code from the mission today. Even with all of those people and resources poured into that project, nobody blew the whistle or leaked the press, how? That would’ve been one of the biggest political scandals in history if Kennedy/LBJ/Nixon got caught dumping tons of money into running fake NASA missions.
  - lowdose 6y ago
    It's pretty well established his dead was a limited hangout by several agencies in order to control the Epstein narrative. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
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AndrewBissell 6y ago
That could be the genesis of the name, but Epstein was also known to espouse a lot of eugenecist and transhumanist views and had ties to geneticists like George Church. So another possibility is he originally intended to do the research and then wound up using the entity for money laundering or blackmail instead.
mc32 6y ago
If you’re going to go “there” don’t pass up on the name of the islands themselves.
ConcernedCoder 6y ago
Here's my thesis: The company collected DNA from the girls he trafficked after they copulated with the rich and famous... He then generated revenue by keeping the results of the DNA analysis secret ( for a fee ).
arminiusreturns 6y ago
There might be more truth there than you think. One of the largely ignored and unacknowledged realities of the uber-wealthy elite is that they tend to be very interested in eugenics programs (of course under different names). Multiple people have stated that Epstein intended for his ranch in NM to be a place he had multiple women pregnant at a time so he could "seed the human race" with his superior genetics. Witness Maria Farmer says he and Maxwell and many others in the group were very open and serious about considering themselves genetically superior to the masses...

ta17711771 6y ago

It's very common for the elite to openly reference what they're doing, crime-wise, because 1) It's easy to hide in plain sight, and 2) Who's going to stop them, you? Epstein's probably on an island right now.

save_ferris 6y ago
It’s pretty well established that he’s dead.
- pepsithrowaway 6y ago
  Oh really. And do you have a source for that? How do you explain the strange happenings where he was being held? :}
- seph-reed 6y ago
  I don't know anyone believes anything anymore. He could be dead. He could be alive. He could have even committed suicide. I honestly believe the only way we'll ever get the truth from elites is with "advanced interrogation" tactics.
  - save_ferris 6y ago
    Images of his body and the crime scene have been released to the public by the coroner. In order for any of this speculation around him being alive is true, you realize that this conspiracy would have to involve dozens of people at least, right? Look, I get the speculation around the circumstances of his death. He was a bad dude that had a lot of powerful friends. But to seriously consider that one or more of his friends would go out of their way to save his life by faking his death is completely ridiculous. If anything, his powerful friends had tremendous incentive to have him killed once he was detained. Just because our world is being polluted by conspiratorial thinking doesn’t mean we can just stop thinking on a basic level. A plot to fake Epstein’s death makes absolutely zero sense. An ordered hit? Sure, there’s a logical explanation there. But a faked death is such a lazy and absent-minded conspiracy theory.
    - felipeko 6y ago
      I'm not denying that it is harder to fake a death than to just order a hit. But if he had a dead man's switch, it could be worth the cost. And with how unusual the whole 'suicide' was, accepting the official story at face value is arguably lazier than suspecting it.
      - save_ferris 6y ago
        But if he had a dead man’s switch, wouldn’t it have been easier and lower risk to use state resources to penetrate his network and disable it? It’s not like a dead man’s switch is insurmountable, and when you’re entertaining these ideas of people who have vast amounts of power, doesn’t the simplest solution still make the most sense? How does an institution with an infinite amount of power fear one man? That’s the lazy paradox I see here. The government is all-powerful but wants to let one guy with a bunch of dirt on people live, even though they have the power to do whatever they want? And they choose to fake his death instead of coercing a prosecutor to slap him with charges that don’t stick or manipulating the jury? There are just so many more plausible ways that this plays out instead of faking his death. As I said above, I think there are legitimate reasons to suspect foul play in his death. But a conspiracy involving the prison, the coroner and EMTs, the DA, whoever transported him, and whoever else you’d need to carry it out just gets so fantastical so fast. I’m not saying I believe the official story here, but people don’t consider the social implications of some of these conspiracies. It’s like the people who think the moon landing was fake. Thousands of engineers, scientists, builders, etc. worked to get us to the moon. Anyone can read the source code from the mission today. Even with all of those people and resources poured into that project, nobody blew the whistle or leaked the press, how? That would’ve been one of the biggest political scandals in history if Kennedy/LBJ/Nixon got caught dumping tons of money into running fake NASA missions.
- lowdose 6y ago
  It's pretty well established his dead was a limited hangout by several agencies in order to control the Epstein narrative. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
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AndrewBissell 6y ago

That could be the genesis of the name, but Epstein was also known to espouse a lot of eugenecist and transhumanist views and had ties to geneticists like George Church. So another possibility is he originally intended to do the research and then wound up using the entity for money laundering or blackmail instead.

mc32 6y ago

If you’re going to go “there” don’t pass up on the name of the islands themselves.

ConcernedCoder 6y ago

Here's my thesis: The company collected DNA from the girls he trafficked after they copulated with the rich and famous... He then generated revenue by keeping the results of the DNA analysis secret ( for a fee ).

arminiusreturns 6y ago

There might be more truth there than you think. One of the largely ignored and unacknowledged realities of the uber-wealthy elite is that they tend to be very interested in eugenics programs (of course under different names). Multiple people have stated that Epstein intended for his ranch in NM to be a place he had multiple women pregnant at a time so he could "seed the human race" with his superior genetics. Witness Maria Farmer says he and Maxwell and many others in the group were very open and serious about considering themselves genetically superior to the masses...