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Unproven to treat COVID-19. Leaving out that last part is the debate. If you're not going to discuss the whole context, then you're being disingenuous and just

Unproven to treat COVID-19. Leaving out that last part is the debate. If you're not going to discuss the whole context, then you're being disingenuous and just trying to work people up into a political fight.

lenkite 6y ago
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq5WprDuARXrJl6N1aDjY/mobilebasic https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq...
lenkite 6y ago
Also statement from American Journal of Epidemiology, https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586 https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje... Backing news article https://medicine.yale.edu/yigh/news-article/25085/ https://medicine.yale.edu/yigh/news-article/25085/
lenkite 6y ago
It is not an all-out, miracle cure but it definitely helps. Not trying to work anyone into a political fight, but I do firmly believe the US medical industry is doing active propaganda to prevent use of HCQ for Covid-19. https://medicine.yale.edu/yigh/news-article/25085/ https://medicine.yale.edu/yigh/news-article/25085/
- y-c-o-m-b 6y ago
  That is a single person. Have those been peer reviewed and scrutinized by the wider medical community? If you open the study, you'll see there are open-labeled non-randomized trials he is referencing. It's been a handful of months since COVID-19 grasped the globe. Too early to take things as gospel. As we are finding out in this thread, these types of studies are open to bias and rife with mistakes or misinterpretations. If we are to take the desired lesson from this thread, it's that data surrounding these medical journals need to be highly scrutinized before we can take them in as evidence.
  - lenkite 6y ago
    No, that is ongoing. Here are a collection of studies. (Not complete). The comprehensive studies that will satisfy your criteria are being carried out by several national and international bodies (including WHO). One will need to wait till September end. Contrary to all US media propaganda, WHO did NOT cancel all HCQ studies - only the solidarity trial in specific was cancelled. http://www.ijmr.org.in/preprintarticle.asp?id=285520 http://www.ijmr.org.in/preprintarticle.asp?id=285520 https://swarajyamag.com/insta/icmr-study-reveals-four-or-more-dosages-of-hydroxychloroquine-reduces-covid-19-risk-among-health-workers https://swarajyamag.com/insta/icmr-study-reveals-four-or-mor... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20073379v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20073379v... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v3 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v... The older HCQ study wrt SARS: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Document of a collection of studies (a bit biased - please don't be irritated) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq5WprDuARXrJl6N1aDjY/mobilebasic https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq...
    - belltaco 6y ago
      >No, that is ongoing. Here are a collection of studies. (Not complete). The comprehensive studies that will satisfy your criteria are being carried out by several national and international bodies (including WHO). One will need to wait till September end So in other words, unproven.
- belltaco 6y ago
  >It is not an all-out, miracle cure but it definitely helps. The studies that the right wing news media and Trump were referring to back in March showed a one hundred percent cure rate.
  - lenkite 6y ago
    Do not care about left wing or ring wing media. I believe the US media were shouting the HCQ will kill you - a disgusting joke when nearly every frontline Covid-19 healthcare worker in India is on HCQ for over two months now - following national recommendation by ICMR. I don't trust the US media at all - it's all based on special interests.
    - javagram 6y ago
      > I believe the US media were shouting the HCQ will kill you Mainstream media sources in the USA were mainly warning not to obtain HCQ without a prescription (as several people did in various countries and killed themselves/spouse with overdoses). And also that people shouldn’t rashly expose themselves to the virus, believing the president and his political allies that they could be “100%” cured using HCQ. For instance, https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-twitter-deletes-giuliani-tweet-for-spreading-misinformation-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-twitter-deletes-... “Twitter removed [. . .] In the tweet on Friday, Giuliani quoted conservative youth activist Charlie Kirk, who claimed that an unproven anti-malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine "in at least three international tests was found 100% effective in treating the coronavirus," according to screen shots of the message published by Mediate.” HCQ continued to be used under emergency authorization in hospitals by doctors fighting the coronavirus, because it’s possible it somehow helps although it hasn’t been proven to work. However, the media attempted to fight the spread of misinformation which claimed a 100% effective treatment was available, which was leading to issuing unneeded prescriptions for HCQ and a shortage for patients who actually needed the drug for other conditions. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/us/coronavirus-trump-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/us/coronavirus-trump-chlo... “ And the nearly 32,000 prescriptions came from across the spectrum — rheumatologists, cardiologists, dermatologists, psychiatrists and even podiatrists, the data shows.”
- ilikehurdles 6y ago
  > It is not an all-out, miracle cure but it definitely helps Researchers have withdrawn[1] studies that claimed much weaker statements than this. [1]: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.05.20088757v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.05.20088757v...

lenkite 6y ago

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq5WprDuARXrJl6N1aDjY/mobilebasic https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq...

lenkite 6y ago

Also statement from American Journal of Epidemiology, https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586 https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje... Backing news article https://medicine.yale.edu/yigh/news-article/25085/ https://medicine.yale.edu/yigh/news-article/25085/

lenkite 6y ago

It is not an all-out, miracle cure but it definitely helps. Not trying to work anyone into a political fight, but I do firmly believe the US medical industry is doing active propaganda to prevent use of HCQ for Covid-19. https://medicine.yale.edu/yigh/news-article/25085/ https://medicine.yale.edu/yigh/news-article/25085/

y-c-o-m-b 6y ago
That is a single person. Have those been peer reviewed and scrutinized by the wider medical community? If you open the study, you'll see there are open-labeled non-randomized trials he is referencing. It's been a handful of months since COVID-19 grasped the globe. Too early to take things as gospel. As we are finding out in this thread, these types of studies are open to bias and rife with mistakes or misinterpretations. If we are to take the desired lesson from this thread, it's that data surrounding these medical journals need to be highly scrutinized before we can take them in as evidence.
- lenkite 6y ago
  No, that is ongoing. Here are a collection of studies. (Not complete). The comprehensive studies that will satisfy your criteria are being carried out by several national and international bodies (including WHO). One will need to wait till September end. Contrary to all US media propaganda, WHO did NOT cancel all HCQ studies - only the solidarity trial in specific was cancelled. http://www.ijmr.org.in/preprintarticle.asp?id=285520 http://www.ijmr.org.in/preprintarticle.asp?id=285520 https://swarajyamag.com/insta/icmr-study-reveals-four-or-more-dosages-of-hydroxychloroquine-reduces-covid-19-risk-among-health-workers https://swarajyamag.com/insta/icmr-study-reveals-four-or-mor... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20073379v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20073379v... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v3 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v... The older HCQ study wrt SARS: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Document of a collection of studies (a bit biased - please don't be irritated) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq5WprDuARXrJl6N1aDjY/mobilebasic https://docs.google.com/document/d/1545C_dJWMIAgqeLEsfo2U8Kq...
  - belltaco 6y ago
    >No, that is ongoing. Here are a collection of studies. (Not complete). The comprehensive studies that will satisfy your criteria are being carried out by several national and international bodies (including WHO). One will need to wait till September end So in other words, unproven.
belltaco 6y ago
>It is not an all-out, miracle cure but it definitely helps. The studies that the right wing news media and Trump were referring to back in March showed a one hundred percent cure rate.
- lenkite 6y ago
  Do not care about left wing or ring wing media. I believe the US media were shouting the HCQ will kill you - a disgusting joke when nearly every frontline Covid-19 healthcare worker in India is on HCQ for over two months now - following national recommendation by ICMR. I don't trust the US media at all - it's all based on special interests.
  - javagram 6y ago
    > I believe the US media were shouting the HCQ will kill you Mainstream media sources in the USA were mainly warning not to obtain HCQ without a prescription (as several people did in various countries and killed themselves/spouse with overdoses). And also that people shouldn’t rashly expose themselves to the virus, believing the president and his political allies that they could be “100%” cured using HCQ. For instance, https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-twitter-deletes-giuliani-tweet-for-spreading-misinformation-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-twitter-deletes-... “Twitter removed [. . .] In the tweet on Friday, Giuliani quoted conservative youth activist Charlie Kirk, who claimed that an unproven anti-malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine "in at least three international tests was found 100% effective in treating the coronavirus," according to screen shots of the message published by Mediate.” HCQ continued to be used under emergency authorization in hospitals by doctors fighting the coronavirus, because it’s possible it somehow helps although it hasn’t been proven to work. However, the media attempted to fight the spread of misinformation which claimed a 100% effective treatment was available, which was leading to issuing unneeded prescriptions for HCQ and a shortage for patients who actually needed the drug for other conditions. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/us/coronavirus-trump-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/us/coronavirus-trump-chlo... “ And the nearly 32,000 prescriptions came from across the spectrum — rheumatologists, cardiologists, dermatologists, psychiatrists and even podiatrists, the data shows.”
ilikehurdles 6y ago
> It is not an all-out, miracle cure but it definitely helps Researchers have withdrawn[1] studies that claimed much weaker statements than this. [1]: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.05.20088757v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.05.20088757v...