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You do realize the irony in looking for an underrepresented group with a long period of experience, right?

collyw 6y ago
5 years is considered long now? And no we weren't looking for an under-represented group at all. We just posted our job ads in the most obvious places when looking for a candidate. Personally I think we should be hiring on merit rather than any other factors.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  Damn right 5 years is a long time. A very long time. If a competent programmer in language L in domain D can't transfer to another language L2 and domain D2 in half a decade then they aren't fit to employ at all. Curious: what are you doing that you think 5 years' experience is necessary?
  - collyw 6y ago
    Why do you think its only about language ability and coding?
    - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
      Why don't you tell me what those other things are instead of expecting me to guess? I presume those other things are not[0] gender and skin colour, so what else is relevant, you tell me. [0] almost missed out the 'not'. That would have made for fun fireworks.
- maximente 6y ago
  > Personally I think we should be hiring on merit rather than any other factors. if by merit you mean competency in coding, and by years of experience you effectively mean years in coding, what you have stated here is directly in conflict with your requirements of 5 years of experience. nothing personal: them's the breaks. admittedly, i get what you're trying to do - filter out bad candidates cheaply - but one ought to be able to introspect and see what they're saying (signaling) and what their actions show. there are tons of very talented people leaving bootcamps, students out of colleges, etc. that are not going to every qualify, and may already be more sharp than some corporate drone with 5 years under his belt. hell, imagine all the first-job people with 1-2 years of experience who are hungry to level up their technical skills but can't get your job.
  - collyw 6y ago
    True, but its unlikely to find outstanding bootcamp graduates. A lot of what we are looking for isn't ability hackerrank type challenges, but a more mature person capable of other aspects of the product lifestyle as well as just coding. But as you say it is a quick and easy filter for assumed ability. It didn't stop many people applying, though looking at their resumes in more detail did. We already got lots of very poor candidates. I doubt removing the filters that we did have would have improved things.
- kop316 6y ago
  I think the persons point was assuming you were looking to fill a position with an under-represented group (which is what i inferred too), than hiring someone beyond entry level experience may increase the number of under-represented group at your company, but not in the overall workforce.
- schwartzworld 6y ago
  5 years in front-end is long enough to have been there for major shifts in the way we write for the client. 5 years ago is when es6 came out.

5 years is considered long now? And no we weren't looking for an under-represented group at all. We just posted our job ads in the most obvious places when looking for a candidate. Personally I think we should be hiring on merit rather than any other factors.

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
Damn right 5 years is a long time. A very long time. If a competent programmer in language L in domain D can't transfer to another language L2 and domain D2 in half a decade then they aren't fit to employ at all. Curious: what are you doing that you think 5 years' experience is necessary?
- collyw 6y ago
  Why do you think its only about language ability and coding?
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    Why don't you tell me what those other things are instead of expecting me to guess? I presume those other things are not[0] gender and skin colour, so what else is relevant, you tell me. [0] almost missed out the 'not'. That would have made for fun fireworks.
maximente 6y ago
> Personally I think we should be hiring on merit rather than any other factors. if by merit you mean competency in coding, and by years of experience you effectively mean years in coding, what you have stated here is directly in conflict with your requirements of 5 years of experience. nothing personal: them's the breaks. admittedly, i get what you're trying to do - filter out bad candidates cheaply - but one ought to be able to introspect and see what they're saying (signaling) and what their actions show. there are tons of very talented people leaving bootcamps, students out of colleges, etc. that are not going to every qualify, and may already be more sharp than some corporate drone with 5 years under his belt. hell, imagine all the first-job people with 1-2 years of experience who are hungry to level up their technical skills but can't get your job.
- collyw 6y ago
  True, but its unlikely to find outstanding bootcamp graduates. A lot of what we are looking for isn't ability hackerrank type challenges, but a more mature person capable of other aspects of the product lifestyle as well as just coding. But as you say it is a quick and easy filter for assumed ability. It didn't stop many people applying, though looking at their resumes in more detail did. We already got lots of very poor candidates. I doubt removing the filters that we did have would have improved things.
kop316 6y ago
I think the persons point was assuming you were looking to fill a position with an under-represented group (which is what i inferred too), than hiring someone beyond entry level experience may increase the number of under-represented group at your company, but not in the overall workforce.
schwartzworld 6y ago
5 years in front-end is long enough to have been there for major shifts in the way we write for the client. 5 years ago is when es6 came out.