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The issue isn't the product itself - the issue is that the company that produces is controlled by an outwardly hostile foreign nation that has a history of carr

by bb123 6y ago

The issue isn't the product itself - the issue is that the company that produces is controlled by an outwardly hostile foreign nation that has a history of carrying out state sponsored cyber attacks against critical infrastructure in the west.

LatteLazy 6y ago
Help me out here: link me to an actual Chinese state sponsored cyber attack. There are a few that might of possibly could have been something or maybe not according to someone. I don't doubt china are capable, but they don't seem to be doing it. And that's exactly the same as the US. Plus the US are actively spying including using their power to support US companies and undermine democracies. I wanna be clear here, neither "side" is to be trusted or safe or fine. But China is no more of a threat to third party nations' network security that the US as far as I can tell. And I am normally the one being Hawkish on China.
- TecoAndJix 6y ago
  Check out Mandiant's summary on APT1 [0]. Two brief excerpts from that report: -APT1 is believed to be the 2nd Bureau of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) General Staff Department’s (GSD) 3rd Department (总参三部二局), which is most commonly known by its Military Unit Cover Designator (MUCD) as Unit 61398 (61398部队). -APT1 has systematically stolen hundreds of terabytes of data from at least 141 organizations, and has demonstrated the capability and intent to steal from dozens of organizations simultaneously. [0] https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/fireeye-www/services/pdfs/mandiant-apt1-report.pdf https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/fireeye-www/services/pdf...
billfruit 6y ago
West's hands are not clean, perhaps even more blatantly smeared on doing state sponsored disruption of infrastructure: Remember stuxnet and the problems they created in Venezuelas national oil company. In the case of China/Huawei the hostile posturing has been largely coming from US/West and not from China. I see much anti China rhetoric emenating from US, but comparatively less the other way round.
- throwaway2048 6y ago
  It's irrelevant if the west's hands are clean, we are talking about a decision that effects western nations themselves. Even if they preformed economic espionage, why in the world would they allow themselves to be put into a position where it can easily be done to them?
  - billfruit 6y ago
    Then is it that the US/West need some kind of leverage over the supplier, which they can't get on Huawei? Is that the real reason? Likely even Huawei may not cooperate with any domestic espionage/intelligence gathering efforts of the US, I fear if it is not the real reason?

by bb123 6y ago

LatteLazy 6y ago

Help me out here: link me to an actual Chinese state sponsored cyber attack. There are a few that might of possibly could have been something or maybe not according to someone. I don't doubt china are capable, but they don't seem to be doing it. And that's exactly the same as the US. Plus the US are actively spying including using their power to support US companies and undermine democracies. I wanna be clear here, neither "side" is to be trusted or safe or fine. But China is no more of a threat to third party nations' network security that the US as far as I can tell. And I am normally the one being Hawkish on China.

TecoAndJix 6y ago
Check out Mandiant's summary on APT1 [0]. Two brief excerpts from that report: -APT1 is believed to be the 2nd Bureau of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) General Staff Department’s (GSD) 3rd Department (总参三部二局), which is most commonly known by its Military Unit Cover Designator (MUCD) as Unit 61398 (61398部队). -APT1 has systematically stolen hundreds of terabytes of data from at least 141 organizations, and has demonstrated the capability and intent to steal from dozens of organizations simultaneously. [0] https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/fireeye-www/services/pdfs/mandiant-apt1-report.pdf https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/fireeye-www/services/pdf...

billfruit 6y ago

West's hands are not clean, perhaps even more blatantly smeared on doing state sponsored disruption of infrastructure: Remember stuxnet and the problems they created in Venezuelas national oil company. In the case of China/Huawei the hostile posturing has been largely coming from US/West and not from China. I see much anti China rhetoric emenating from US, but comparatively less the other way round.

throwaway2048 6y ago
It's irrelevant if the west's hands are clean, we are talking about a decision that effects western nations themselves. Even if they preformed economic espionage, why in the world would they allow themselves to be put into a position where it can easily be done to them?
- billfruit 6y ago
  Then is it that the US/West need some kind of leverage over the supplier, which they can't get on Huawei? Is that the real reason? Likely even Huawei may not cooperate with any domestic espionage/intelligence gathering efforts of the US, I fear if it is not the real reason?