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"Gentoo was the most reliant by a long shot (maybe for the simple reason it always asked if it should replace my config), but that is a time sink in whole other

"Gentoo was the most reliant by a long shot (maybe for the simple reason it always asked if it should replace my config), but that is a time sink in whole other league." I think I can see Arch showing off a bit of ankle at you. Think of Arch as a bit like Gentoo without the burning lap.

h91wka 6y ago
I have used both Arch and Gentoo, and the only similarity between them is steep learning curve. They are based on completely different tech (pacman vs. portage, systemd vs. openrc) and philosophy, they pursue completely different goals and solve different problems (or, rather, I hesitate to give a quick answer what problem does Arch solve, unlike Gentoo that gives the ability to customize the system all the way down, for a hefty price, of course).
blaser-waffle 6y ago
If I was still in college I'd be trying to trick out an Arch build and post screenshots of my hyper-cool DE. But now I'm a fatass network engineer and I don't have the desire to spend an iota of energy doing config work outside of actual paid work. Ubuntu and Fedora just work, and only require a heafty apt/yum one-liner to make everything work. Arch is awesome -- the Arch Wiki is useful even for non-Arch users -- but ain't no body got time for that.
- gerdesj 6y ago
  I'm a company director (MD) and I do not spend much time fiddling with my gear. I expect it to simply work and it does. I document my builds/configurations in both my corp wiki and the Arch wiki (stuff that is generic.) On a Fri afternoon I run "yay -Syu" and reboot. I deploy Ubuntu minimal for servers. I document those as well. My personal systems are not exciting. I login with Active Directory creds and I have an Exchange account for email. I just happen to have multiple CAD apps available and lots of other stuff out of the box. When I update my PCs/laptops the whole lot update and off I trot. I get the occasional bit of breakage but because Arch is rolling it is only a small problem at a time and not a massive total meltdown. I'm 50 next year - I studied Civ Eng at college. I am a fat ass PHB and sysadmin all in one package. I should also point out that my company is running reasonably happily despite SARS-CoV-2, so I think me and my two partners have done a reasonable job of the PHB thing. We still have all of our 20 employees and expect to come out with a (low n) £n00,000 loss on the books due to a virus. Happily we had >£n00,000 in the bank before hand to deal with unforeseen cash flow snags because we are boring and like to sleep at night. To summarise: Don't diss Arch (or Gentoo) as a silly ricer distro. If you approach a problem with a true engineer's attitude and an open mind then unlikely solutions can arise. Also, keep some cash under the mattress for a rainy day.

h91wka 6y ago

I have used both Arch and Gentoo, and the only similarity between them is steep learning curve. They are based on completely different tech (pacman vs. portage, systemd vs. openrc) and philosophy, they pursue completely different goals and solve different problems (or, rather, I hesitate to give a quick answer what problem does Arch solve, unlike Gentoo that gives the ability to customize the system all the way down, for a hefty price, of course).

blaser-waffle 6y ago

If I was still in college I'd be trying to trick out an Arch build and post screenshots of my hyper-cool DE. But now I'm a fatass network engineer and I don't have the desire to spend an iota of energy doing config work outside of actual paid work. Ubuntu and Fedora just work, and only require a heafty apt/yum one-liner to make everything work. Arch is awesome -- the Arch Wiki is useful even for non-Arch users -- but ain't no body got time for that.

gerdesj 6y ago
I'm a company director (MD) and I do not spend much time fiddling with my gear. I expect it to simply work and it does. I document my builds/configurations in both my corp wiki and the Arch wiki (stuff that is generic.) On a Fri afternoon I run "yay -Syu" and reboot. I deploy Ubuntu minimal for servers. I document those as well. My personal systems are not exciting. I login with Active Directory creds and I have an Exchange account for email. I just happen to have multiple CAD apps available and lots of other stuff out of the box. When I update my PCs/laptops the whole lot update and off I trot. I get the occasional bit of breakage but because Arch is rolling it is only a small problem at a time and not a massive total meltdown. I'm 50 next year - I studied Civ Eng at college. I am a fat ass PHB and sysadmin all in one package. I should also point out that my company is running reasonably happily despite SARS-CoV-2, so I think me and my two partners have done a reasonable job of the PHB thing. We still have all of our 20 employees and expect to come out with a (low n) £n00,000 loss on the books due to a virus. Happily we had >£n00,000 in the bank before hand to deal with unforeseen cash flow snags because we are boring and like to sleep at night. To summarise: Don't diss Arch (or Gentoo) as a silly ricer distro. If you approach a problem with a true engineer's attitude and an open mind then unlikely solutions can arise. Also, keep some cash under the mattress for a rainy day.