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The New Zealand contact tracing app just allows you to log visits to businesses that display QR codes listing their address. So you can have a log of where you'

by xupybd 6y ago

The New Zealand contact tracing app just allows you to log visits to businesses that display QR codes listing their address. So you can have a log of where you've been. Only most businesses here don't have the codes on display as applying for them has too much red tape.

mschuster91 6y ago
Also NZ is essentially corona-free, there isn't much pressure for app based tracing as long as those in contact with people coming in from anywhere else (i.e. air and sea port workers, customs officials and the likes) get rigorously tested.
- monadic2 6y ago
  Still far better, and quite simple at that!, than we have in the US.
  - mschuster91 6y ago
    The US is way too deep in the corona mess to do anything like that. What would help is widespread, easy access to tests (including a moratorium on ICE enforcement and no "paper records" requirement so that also illegalized persons get tested instead of being an unknown harbor!) and especially daily tests for at-risk personnel (medical, public transport, supermarket staff and inmates of prisons, jails and health/elderly care institutions).
    - monadic2 6y ago
      Honestly I’d still take it, why not both?
- fredrb 6y ago
  Wouldn't a tracing app make more sense than having a rigorous border tests? It takes one miss-tested infected person to start a second wave in the country. So I would assume that the investment to make sure businesses provide the QR pays off testing everyone and risking another lockdown. I'm also not sure countries have the resources to enforce huge amounts of tests at the border.
  - jussij 6y ago
    At present NZ have very strict border restriction in place so they have already illuminated that border issue.
  - johannes1234321 6y ago
    > I'm also not sure countries have the resources to enforce huge amounts of tests at the border. Right. One issue with testing is that the only test you can do for masses in a border are basic health checks like temperature, but aside from all general issues with such kind of test (people are exhausted after travelling on a plane, having to do a test, ...) with COVID symptoms often only appear after one had been infectious for a while already, so one can pass by undetected and still spread. Things like PCR tests take time and effort and have notable cost, which makes it hard to apply on a larger entrance port. Either shut down completely (maybe based on origin region or recently visited regions) or be prepared to handle afterwards ... tracing contacts to identify potential carriers after ridentifying infected is a way which is at least a bit promising.
    - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
      > Either shut down completely (maybe based on origin region or recently visited regions) or be prepared to handle afterwards If you only shut down based on recently visited regions, you're likely to import cases anyways. With CoVID-19, it takes several weeks to identify an outbreak in a region (especially without extensive testing). By the time you shut down travel from a given region, you've probably already been importing cases for weeks. The WHO has gotten a huge amount of flak for not calling for travel restrictions during this pandemic. But their recommendations were based on the ineffectiveness of travel restrictions,* according to previous research. They recommended screening passengers for symptoms, but also told countries to take measures to limit spread (like testing and contact tracing), on the assumption that countries would import cases. * The WHO's recommendations were also based on the International Health Regulations, an international treaty that basically every country on Earth has joined. Most of the public is unaware of the IHR or what it says about travel restrictions, or of the history of the WHO (one of its founding goals was to stop countries from automatically shutting their borders whenever there was an outbreak, and instead to take rational, evidence-based measures).

by xupybd 6y ago

mschuster91 6y ago

Also NZ is essentially corona-free, there isn't much pressure for app based tracing as long as those in contact with people coming in from anywhere else (i.e. air and sea port workers, customs officials and the likes) get rigorously tested.

monadic2 6y ago
Still far better, and quite simple at that!, than we have in the US.
- mschuster91 6y ago
  The US is way too deep in the corona mess to do anything like that. What would help is widespread, easy access to tests (including a moratorium on ICE enforcement and no "paper records" requirement so that also illegalized persons get tested instead of being an unknown harbor!) and especially daily tests for at-risk personnel (medical, public transport, supermarket staff and inmates of prisons, jails and health/elderly care institutions).
  - monadic2 6y ago
    Honestly I’d still take it, why not both?
fredrb 6y ago
Wouldn't a tracing app make more sense than having a rigorous border tests? It takes one miss-tested infected person to start a second wave in the country. So I would assume that the investment to make sure businesses provide the QR pays off testing everyone and risking another lockdown. I'm also not sure countries have the resources to enforce huge amounts of tests at the border.
- jussij 6y ago
  At present NZ have very strict border restriction in place so they have already illuminated that border issue.
- johannes1234321 6y ago
  > I'm also not sure countries have the resources to enforce huge amounts of tests at the border. Right. One issue with testing is that the only test you can do for masses in a border are basic health checks like temperature, but aside from all general issues with such kind of test (people are exhausted after travelling on a plane, having to do a test, ...) with COVID symptoms often only appear after one had been infectious for a while already, so one can pass by undetected and still spread. Things like PCR tests take time and effort and have notable cost, which makes it hard to apply on a larger entrance port. Either shut down completely (maybe based on origin region or recently visited regions) or be prepared to handle afterwards ... tracing contacts to identify potential carriers after ridentifying infected is a way which is at least a bit promising.
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    > Either shut down completely (maybe based on origin region or recently visited regions) or be prepared to handle afterwards If you only shut down based on recently visited regions, you're likely to import cases anyways. With CoVID-19, it takes several weeks to identify an outbreak in a region (especially without extensive testing). By the time you shut down travel from a given region, you've probably already been importing cases for weeks. The WHO has gotten a huge amount of flak for not calling for travel restrictions during this pandemic. But their recommendations were based on the ineffectiveness of travel restrictions,* according to previous research. They recommended screening passengers for symptoms, but also told countries to take measures to limit spread (like testing and contact tracing), on the assumption that countries would import cases. * The WHO's recommendations were also based on the International Health Regulations, an international treaty that basically every country on Earth has joined. Most of the public is unaware of the IHR or what it says about travel restrictions, or of the history of the WHO (one of its founding goals was to stop countries from automatically shutting their borders whenever there was an outbreak, and instead to take rational, evidence-based measures).