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I'm glad you brought that up because if you look at cases /1M pops on worldometers Sweden is actually below at least two european countries (Italy, Spain) who e

I'm glad you brought that up because if you look at cases /1M pops on worldometers Sweden is actually below at least two european countries (Italy, Spain) who enforced a strict quarantine and travel ban. Yet Sweden are seeing a pretty high mortality compared to those countries. So my conclusion is that quarantine has done no difference to spread but the state of health care is affecting mortality. And not only Norway is making mistakes in this new experience. The fact that Denmark closes down tourist areas, and the border, but allow their citizens to cross the bridge to Sweden and enjoy all the tourist areas there, and then come back to Denmark, that's just silly.

Lewton 6y ago
> The fact that Denmark closes down tourist areas, and the border, but allow their citizens to cross the bridge to Sweden and enjoy all the tourist areas there, and then come back to Denmark, that's just silly. This is politically impossible to stop. Sweden has not closed its borders, so there's no one to stop danes from entering. And Denmark can't close it's borders to danish nationals, so they can't be stopped from returning home. The Danish Government has made clear statements saying that they strongly urge people to not go to Sweden
- panpanna 6y ago
  Denmark is the king of this kind of stupidity. People call it symbolic-politics. Remember, this is the same country that during the Syria crisis stripped incoming refugee of their belonging then dropped them off by the Swedish border. Edit: since people are downvoting this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/26/danish-parliament-approves-plan-to-seize-assets-from-refugees https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/26/danish-parliam... https://www.thelocal.se/20150910/danish-police-allow-refugees-to-continue-on-to-sweden https://www.thelocal.se/20150910/danish-police-allow-refugee... https://www.rt.com/news/445552-denmark-refugees-island-unwanted/ https://www.rt.com/news/445552-denmark-refugees-island-unwan...
- mytherin 6y ago
  They can't close their border to Danish nationals, but they can quarantine people for 14 days upon return. If they were completely serious about stopping this they would have done that. Nobody is going to go on a short tourism trip knowing they will be quarantined upon return home.
  - Lewton 6y ago
    I don’t find it particularly odd or hypocritical that the danish government would prefer to avoid a situation where they have to forcefully quarantine people
CaptainZapp 6y ago
Sweden had ample warning and time to prepare. Italy, and to a lesser extent Spain, did not.
- INTPenis 6y ago
  And yet they didn't prepare but the number of reported cases per capita remained below Italy and Spain. Same day I wrote my OP it actually rose above Italy with a whopping 2200 new cases at once. We'll see if all the students celebrating these last few days will make that rise again. Either way my point was that the spread compared to the number of deaths is the real scandal in Sweden. Low spread, high number of deaths indicates something is wrong in healthcare.
mcv 6y ago
Note that number of cases is never the total number of cases, only the number of cases that have been tested and tested positive. This number depends very strongly on how much a country tests. Some countries test everybody, others test only severe cases. Number of deaths is more reliable, though even those numbers can be hidden. For example, in Florida the number of COVID-19 deaths is fairly low, but the number of pneumonia deaths is more than 6 times higher than normal all of a sudden.
rumanator 6y ago
> at least two european countries (Italy, Spain) who enforced a strict quarantine and travel ban. Both Italy and Spain imposed strict quarantine measures in a time where the epidemic was already rampant and killing hundreds of patients a day. Thanks to that, now they are experiencing zero deaths a day.
EdwardDiego 6y ago
It's about the timing of the lockdown - once the virus was already widespread, you're closing the barn door after the horse bolted. NZ locked down while spread was limited, and has had no new cases for 12 days, and only one remaining active case, as a result - but again, it was the timing of the lockdown - if it had happened 2 weeks later, who knows how it'd be doing.

Lewton 6y ago

> The fact that Denmark closes down tourist areas, and the border, but allow their citizens to cross the bridge to Sweden and enjoy all the tourist areas there, and then come back to Denmark, that's just silly. This is politically impossible to stop. Sweden has not closed its borders, so there's no one to stop danes from entering. And Denmark can't close it's borders to danish nationals, so they can't be stopped from returning home. The Danish Government has made clear statements saying that they strongly urge people to not go to Sweden

panpanna 6y ago
Denmark is the king of this kind of stupidity. People call it symbolic-politics. Remember, this is the same country that during the Syria crisis stripped incoming refugee of their belonging then dropped them off by the Swedish border. Edit: since people are downvoting this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/26/danish-parliament-approves-plan-to-seize-assets-from-refugees https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/26/danish-parliam... https://www.thelocal.se/20150910/danish-police-allow-refugees-to-continue-on-to-sweden https://www.thelocal.se/20150910/danish-police-allow-refugee... https://www.rt.com/news/445552-denmark-refugees-island-unwanted/ https://www.rt.com/news/445552-denmark-refugees-island-unwan...
mytherin 6y ago
They can't close their border to Danish nationals, but they can quarantine people for 14 days upon return. If they were completely serious about stopping this they would have done that. Nobody is going to go on a short tourism trip knowing they will be quarantined upon return home.
- Lewton 6y ago
  I don’t find it particularly odd or hypocritical that the danish government would prefer to avoid a situation where they have to forcefully quarantine people

CaptainZapp 6y ago

Sweden had ample warning and time to prepare. Italy, and to a lesser extent Spain, did not.

INTPenis 6y ago
And yet they didn't prepare but the number of reported cases per capita remained below Italy and Spain. Same day I wrote my OP it actually rose above Italy with a whopping 2200 new cases at once. We'll see if all the students celebrating these last few days will make that rise again. Either way my point was that the spread compared to the number of deaths is the real scandal in Sweden. Low spread, high number of deaths indicates something is wrong in healthcare.

mcv 6y ago

Note that number of cases is never the total number of cases, only the number of cases that have been tested and tested positive. This number depends very strongly on how much a country tests. Some countries test everybody, others test only severe cases. Number of deaths is more reliable, though even those numbers can be hidden. For example, in Florida the number of COVID-19 deaths is fairly low, but the number of pneumonia deaths is more than 6 times higher than normal all of a sudden.

rumanator 6y ago

> at least two european countries (Italy, Spain) who enforced a strict quarantine and travel ban. Both Italy and Spain imposed strict quarantine measures in a time where the epidemic was already rampant and killing hundreds of patients a day. Thanks to that, now they are experiencing zero deaths a day.

EdwardDiego 6y ago

It's about the timing of the lockdown - once the virus was already widespread, you're closing the barn door after the horse bolted. NZ locked down while spread was limited, and has had no new cases for 12 days, and only one remaining active case, as a result - but again, it was the timing of the lockdown - if it had happened 2 weeks later, who knows how it'd be doing.