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> Just a heads-up: before you get angry, bear in mind the situation is evolving and that the context and the timing information are very relevant. "Before you

> Just a heads-up: before you get angry, bear in mind the situation is evolving and that the context and the timing information are very relevant. "Before you get angry about police brutality, remember context is important!" Are you serious?! Some people are talking to the police chief so you shouldn't be angry that they are blockading people on to a bridge. Or angry that they are driving SUVs into people. Or violently pushing people to the ground. And that's just the NYPD. A department where the commissioner was praising the department for their restrain, if that's restrain wait until they stop holding back. Giving each other the chance to do the right thing? What are you talking about? What do the protesters need to do? Stop proetesting? > So, before you get worked up about what happened, check the date, and try to see if there's any local news in the city that might indicate something might have changed in the meantime > So, before you get worked up about what happened, check the date, and try to see if there's any local news in the city that might indicate something might have changed in the meantime. You won't necessarily see these on frontpage headlines, so it might take a bit of digging. (I've found actual videos from local news reporting on the ground much more helpful than textual articles from national outlets here. It seems to me it's just too difficult to capture all the relevant dynamics, emotion, and nuance in text.) Are you nuts? So if it happened 3 days ago and the police are saying sorry but not laying charges, it's a-ok? There are no real nuances here. You have police shooting rubber bullets are people's faces, spraying them with pepper spray while they have their hands up, tear gassing people. All while not facing criminal charges. > In fact, if anyone's involved, I would suggest putting this information in the repo here as well. You don't want to add fuel onto a fire that was already under control a few days ago, and you want to know when (or whether) good progress is being made. Ultimately the goal is to find a working model that others can hopefully emulate. No, you want to add fuel to this fire if you want this problem to be solved. Working models can be found in nearly every civilised country in the world. Stop telling people not to be angry and start being angry.

xupybd 6y ago
Getting angry could cause more innocent people to get killed. Some are working towards a better future in these protests. Others are just getting inflamed and doing things they might regret. Adding emotive fuel will only cause more harm
- johnnyfaehell 6y ago
  > Getting angry could cause more innocent people to get killed. Some are working towards a better future in these protests. Others are just getting inflamed and doing things they might regret. Well, isn't this the entire point. The police are killing innocent people. Protesters aren't killing anyone. Seems like even more of a reason to be angry.
  - xupybd 6y ago
    The protesters are doing great. Some of those involved in riots are getting close. Some of the beatings will have caused some life long injuries. The people that drove up and shot dead a security guard have killed. I just think a degree of restraint is required to avoid innocent people getting hurt.
    - johnnyfaehell 6y ago
      > The people that drove up and shot dead a security guard have killed. What security guard. I googled this since I haven't heard anything about it and it seems that it happened in Flint on the 6th of May before the protests and was about face masks and not police brutality. Or are you talking about a different murder? At first glance, this just seems like misinformation.
      - xupybd 6y ago
        https://www.mercurynews.com/killing-of-federal-security-officer-during-oakland-protest-was-domestic-terrorism-dhs-official-says https://www.mercurynews.com/killing-of-federal-security-offi... I heard about this from the Tim Pool podcast. Possibly they simply used the protests as cover to do this.
        johnnyfaehell 6y ago
        Thanks for the link. > Oakland police, who are assisting the FBI in the investigation, tweeted a statement Friday night saying the shooting appeared to be unrelated to the protest over the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. So the police don't think it's related?
mehrdadn 6y ago
> "Before you get angry about police brutality, remember context is important!" Are you serious?! If you'd like to be angry, at least please don't misquote me. The sentence you put quotes around is a modification of what I wrote, not a quote.
- gindely 6y ago
  With respect, the poster correctly quoted you, using the punctuation common here to indicate a direct quote, and then provided an interpretation using punctuation common here specifically to indicate text that is not a direct quote. I think I have more sympathy with your point of view but before getting angry you ought to consider the context of a persons actions.
  - mehrdadn 6y ago
    > [...] then provided an interpretation using punctuation common here specifically to indicate text that is not a direct quote. When I see people see double-quotes following a block quote, they're there to indicate that the following sentence(s) is about that specific portion of the larger quote... not to indicate deliberate misquotes. In any case... every alteration he made to that quote resulted in a substantive difference to the thoughts and tone of my message. Including the sarcastic exclamation point he took the liberty to insert at the end. Maybe on a good day I'd have the energy to entertain it, but with everything being draining enough as is, I just don't have enough time or energy to reply to something that makes a mockery of something I'm already shedding tears on.
chrisco255 6y ago
You know a 77 year old retired cop was killed in St. Louis last night, holding his cell phone to call police about looters. You gonna protest his death too? Or do you just want an endless vicious cycle of blood feuds for the next 3000 years?
- robert_foss 6y ago
  Clearly that is wrong too, but you know, two wrongs don't make a right. And a major difference is that violence against police actually is prosecuted unlike the opposite.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    No, this guy was left to die in the street. His killers weren't caught. He was a cop for 38 years before becoming chief of Moline Acres, Mo: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500839-retired-st-louis-police-captain-killed-outside-looted-pawn-shop https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500839-retired-st-l... This is what anti police hatred brewing in this country leads to. Gang violence. You embolden true criminals.
    - robert_foss 6y ago
      The killers may not have been caught in this case, but I think it safe to assume that someone actually looked for them.
      - chrisco255 6y ago
        You got a lot of mental gymnastics to squirm out of your culpability for perpetrating hate towards the 99.9% of cops who do their job ethically. But you got no words for a dead man who served his community for 40+ years and meets a fate like this thanks to instigators and rioters who claim they're for justice.
        robert_foss 6y ago

xupybd 6y ago

Getting angry could cause more innocent people to get killed. Some are working towards a better future in these protests. Others are just getting inflamed and doing things they might regret. Adding emotive fuel will only cause more harm

johnnyfaehell 6y ago
> Getting angry could cause more innocent people to get killed. Some are working towards a better future in these protests. Others are just getting inflamed and doing things they might regret. Well, isn't this the entire point. The police are killing innocent people. Protesters aren't killing anyone. Seems like even more of a reason to be angry.
- xupybd 6y ago
  The protesters are doing great. Some of those involved in riots are getting close. Some of the beatings will have caused some life long injuries. The people that drove up and shot dead a security guard have killed. I just think a degree of restraint is required to avoid innocent people getting hurt.
  - johnnyfaehell 6y ago
    > The people that drove up and shot dead a security guard have killed. What security guard. I googled this since I haven't heard anything about it and it seems that it happened in Flint on the 6th of May before the protests and was about face masks and not police brutality. Or are you talking about a different murder? At first glance, this just seems like misinformation.
    - xupybd 6y ago
      https://www.mercurynews.com/killing-of-federal-security-officer-during-oakland-protest-was-domestic-terrorism-dhs-official-says https://www.mercurynews.com/killing-of-federal-security-offi... I heard about this from the Tim Pool podcast. Possibly they simply used the protests as cover to do this.
      - johnnyfaehell 6y ago
        Thanks for the link. > Oakland police, who are assisting the FBI in the investigation, tweeted a statement Friday night saying the shooting appeared to be unrelated to the protest over the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. So the police don't think it's related?

mehrdadn 6y ago

> "Before you get angry about police brutality, remember context is important!" Are you serious?! If you'd like to be angry, at least please don't misquote me. The sentence you put quotes around is a modification of what I wrote, not a quote.

gindely 6y ago
With respect, the poster correctly quoted you, using the punctuation common here to indicate a direct quote, and then provided an interpretation using punctuation common here specifically to indicate text that is not a direct quote. I think I have more sympathy with your point of view but before getting angry you ought to consider the context of a persons actions.
- mehrdadn 6y ago
  > [...] then provided an interpretation using punctuation common here specifically to indicate text that is not a direct quote. When I see people see double-quotes following a block quote, they're there to indicate that the following sentence(s) is about that specific portion of the larger quote... not to indicate deliberate misquotes. In any case... every alteration he made to that quote resulted in a substantive difference to the thoughts and tone of my message. Including the sarcastic exclamation point he took the liberty to insert at the end. Maybe on a good day I'd have the energy to entertain it, but with everything being draining enough as is, I just don't have enough time or energy to reply to something that makes a mockery of something I'm already shedding tears on.

chrisco255 6y ago

You know a 77 year old retired cop was killed in St. Louis last night, holding his cell phone to call police about looters. You gonna protest his death too? Or do you just want an endless vicious cycle of blood feuds for the next 3000 years?

robert_foss 6y ago
Clearly that is wrong too, but you know, two wrongs don't make a right. And a major difference is that violence against police actually is prosecuted unlike the opposite.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  No, this guy was left to die in the street. His killers weren't caught. He was a cop for 38 years before becoming chief of Moline Acres, Mo: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500839-retired-st-louis-police-captain-killed-outside-looted-pawn-shop https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500839-retired-st-l... This is what anti police hatred brewing in this country leads to. Gang violence. You embolden true criminals.
  - robert_foss 6y ago
    The killers may not have been caught in this case, but I think it safe to assume that someone actually looked for them.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      You got a lot of mental gymnastics to squirm out of your culpability for perpetrating hate towards the 99.9% of cops who do their job ethically. But you got no words for a dead man who served his community for 40+ years and meets a fate like this thanks to instigators and rioters who claim they're for justice.
      - robert_foss 6y ago