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> that video. First of all, it's two videos. Watch the aerial view in the immediate reply. (If you didn't see it, you can find it here: https://www.reddit.com/

by ebg13 6y ago

> that video. First of all, it's two videos. Watch the aerial view in the immediate reply. (If you didn't see it, you can find it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the_moment_it_all_happened/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the...) > I see a policeman grab You see an attempted robbery resulting in the destruction of someone's private property. > I see then someone else reach You see a person trying to hold onto their property as they're pulled over the fence because a cop just assaulted them. > I see the police then react You see the police immediately start spraying and bombing and gassing, with the flimsiest excuse, an entire crowd of people who are literally just chanting. This coordinated initiation of violence is extremely typical from the police playbook. Watch this third video from 26:30 as the filmer explains the meaning of a "posture" change when the police swap in gasmask brutes in place of the bicycle cops who were standing there before, showing that they planned to escalate from the beginning. https://www.facebook.com/omarisal/videos/10220021035848747/ https://www.facebook.com/omarisal/videos/10220021035848747/

adjkant 6y ago
Wow, that explanation, live, and seeing it play out is incredible. That narration and video work given the situation is incredibly commendable.
californical 6y ago
Holy crap, that last video was eye opening and horrendous to watch. The police basically assaulted that person for holding an umbrella, then that person was obviously surprised and didn't want to let go of their umbrella, probably didn't even realize why it was getting pulled out of their hands. The police responded by pepper spraying everyone. It's incredibly obvious that this started because the officer aggressively grabbed that umbrella for no reason, and the crowd gets pepper sprayed. Along with bringing in the heavy duty officers just moments before this happens, it's obvious that they just wanted an excuse to bring in their weapons
asiachick 6y ago
The aerial video doesn't help at all. If you're being unkind to the protesters then the ground level video shows a protester shoving an umbrella in a policeman's face which is the start of the entire thing. The policeman reacts as anyone would when someone shoves something in their face, they grab/bat it away. That causes others to reach over the fence which would appear threatening and then the spray starts. If you're assuming good intentions on the part of that protestor then the umbrella being over the fence and in the face of an officer was just an accident of being too close the fence so that their umbrella ended up in the police officer's face. The result is the same, the protester is crossing the line like the "I'm not touching you" meme. The officer has an umbrella shoved in their face and they react. https://www.slideshare.net/Matthewthig/4-11-am-im-not-touching-you https://www.slideshare.net/Matthewthig/4-11-am-im-not-touchi... From the officer's POV this (https://pasteboard.co/Jbm1UXn.jpg https://pasteboard.co/Jbm1UXn.jpg) is a protester trying to intentionally block their view or just annoy them. I know you won't accept that interpretation as remotely valid because you've already decided there is only one correct way to see it. I'm not placing blame and I'm not defending the police. I'm just pointing out your interpretation of what happened is just that, an interpretation. There is at least one other perfectly valid interpretation.
- asiachick 6y ago
  Here's another incident with 2 interpretations https://twitter.com/EDDIFUL/status/1267338642617364481?s=20 https://twitter.com/EDDIFUL/status/1267338642617364481?s=20 1) The simple police brutality 2) Kid grabs policeman, policeman reacts You can see the kid reach for the officer. The officer reacted. Whether it was actually a threat I have no idea. The officer is trying to pass. The kid effectively corners him into a wall, intentionally or not, and then reaches toward the officer. Maybe it was supposed to be a friendly tap on the upper arm but in the middle of such a situation it's not hard to believe whatever the kid reached for felt like a threat to the officer. Again I'm not trying to defend the police but if you want people to come together, if you want that 1/2 of the nation that's on the wrong side to support your cause, then you need less ambiguous examples. Otherwise it's just easy to dismiss it. Other than taking the kid down there is no visible brutality in that video.

by ebg13 6y ago

adjkant 6y ago

Wow, that explanation, live, and seeing it play out is incredible. That narration and video work given the situation is incredibly commendable.

californical 6y ago

Holy crap, that last video was eye opening and horrendous to watch. The police basically assaulted that person for holding an umbrella, then that person was obviously surprised and didn't want to let go of their umbrella, probably didn't even realize why it was getting pulled out of their hands. The police responded by pepper spraying everyone. It's incredibly obvious that this started because the officer aggressively grabbed that umbrella for no reason, and the crowd gets pepper sprayed. Along with bringing in the heavy duty officers just moments before this happens, it's obvious that they just wanted an excuse to bring in their weapons

asiachick 6y ago

The aerial video doesn't help at all. If you're being unkind to the protesters then the ground level video shows a protester shoving an umbrella in a policeman's face which is the start of the entire thing. The policeman reacts as anyone would when someone shoves something in their face, they grab/bat it away. That causes others to reach over the fence which would appear threatening and then the spray starts. If you're assuming good intentions on the part of that protestor then the umbrella being over the fence and in the face of an officer was just an accident of being too close the fence so that their umbrella ended up in the police officer's face. The result is the same, the protester is crossing the line like the "I'm not touching you" meme. The officer has an umbrella shoved in their face and they react. https://www.slideshare.net/Matthewthig/4-11-am-im-not-touching-you https://www.slideshare.net/Matthewthig/4-11-am-im-not-touchi... From the officer's POV this (https://pasteboard.co/Jbm1UXn.jpg https://pasteboard.co/Jbm1UXn.jpg) is a protester trying to intentionally block their view or just annoy them. I know you won't accept that interpretation as remotely valid because you've already decided there is only one correct way to see it. I'm not placing blame and I'm not defending the police. I'm just pointing out your interpretation of what happened is just that, an interpretation. There is at least one other perfectly valid interpretation.

asiachick 6y ago
Here's another incident with 2 interpretations https://twitter.com/EDDIFUL/status/1267338642617364481?s=20 https://twitter.com/EDDIFUL/status/1267338642617364481?s=20 1) The simple police brutality 2) Kid grabs policeman, policeman reacts You can see the kid reach for the officer. The officer reacted. Whether it was actually a threat I have no idea. The officer is trying to pass. The kid effectively corners him into a wall, intentionally or not, and then reaches toward the officer. Maybe it was supposed to be a friendly tap on the upper arm but in the middle of such a situation it's not hard to believe whatever the kid reached for felt like a threat to the officer. Again I'm not trying to defend the police but if you want people to come together, if you want that 1/2 of the nation that's on the wrong side to support your cause, then you need less ambiguous examples. Otherwise it's just easy to dismiss it. Other than taking the kid down there is no visible brutality in that video.