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When you pay for something, you are very traceable, its a big difference.
by walkingolof 6y ago
When you pay for something, you are very traceable, its a big difference.
- simplyinfinity 6y agostolen credit cards are a thing or proxy purchases
- neonate 6y agoWhat's a proxy purchase? Edit: never mind, Google told me. It's getting the older kids to buy you alcohol.
- simplyinfinity 6y agoor get homeless guy/junkie to buy 10 sim cards/prepaid phones for 20$
- walkingolof 6y agoRight, but there is always something to go on there, who made the purchases, where was the card stolen etc.
- AnthonyMouse 6y agoAt which point you find a trail leading to some Russian hackers who stole the credit card and then sold it for cryptocurrency over the internet to the person you're looking for, who they have never met. It's square one. It's no easier to trace the anonymous buyer of a stolen credit card than the anonymous Zoom user to begin with.
- bigiain 6y agoAnd you know - stolen credit cards might even give them an actual conviction they can make stick "Al Capone style", instead of trying to convince a jury that shittalking in a Zoom chat was a real threat...
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago> When you pay for something, you are very traceable, its a big difference. So in order to have privacy you have to do a thing that violates your privacy. Rather problematic for people who need privacy. If I'm organizing one of these anti-police brutality protests, I don't think I want the associated purchases to be tagged with my name in some police-accessible database. Meanwhile the actual terrorists and foreign governments can just commit identity theft or similar.
- dijksterhuis 6y agoSecurity does not equal privacy. They are two distinct concepts. Security with encryption is about trust guarantees. I send message X to Alice and I know Bob can't read the plaint text of message X because I encrypted it with Alice's key. Privacy can benefit from additional security. But it's generally a whole other ball game. For example, Bob will still know I sent a message to Alice and can hit me with a wrench until I reveal the plaintext of message X.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago> Security does not equal privacy. It's all privacy here. End to end encryption provides privacy; the company can't view your conversations. Not paying with a credit card provides privacy; you don't have to give them your personal information. So if you can't have one without the other then you can't have privacy with Zoom. (Unless you're a terrorist with a stolen credit card.)
- dijksterhuis 6y agoSo by your logic then, WhatsApp provides privacy? What about the troves of metadata they collect and make available to law enforcement? Plus the fact you have to register with a phone number which can tie the metadata to a specific individual. Doesn't sound very private to me. Privacy is full of tradeoffs. Security isnt. My messages on WhatsApp are safe from anyone I don't trust that doesn't have 10 super computers and a lot of patience. But that doesn't mean everything I do on there isn't tracked to kingdom come. It doesn't mean the fact I sent a message to Alice is private.
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