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Or pay for it. There is always a cost for free.

tossAfterUsing 6y ago
alternatively, the FBI is sponsoring "free" for whoever wants it.
jliptzin 6y ago
Given their eagerness to work with the FBI why would anyone not assume they’d give the FBI encryption keys for paid sessions of interest to them?
asiachick 6y ago
> There is always a cost for free. There is? I'm not sure what my cost for clang, python, llvm, firefox, is for being free. Even wikipedia, mdn, openstreetmaps, ...
- pmlnr 6y ago
  I donate to wikipedia. They need to pay for electricity, servers, etc as well.
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- CommieDetector 6y ago
  >wikipedia The cost is haveing an EXTREM leftist slant on all articles.
- walkingolof 6y ago
  Someone else is paying for that, because very little happens for free.
- robertlagrant 6y ago
  Firefox is funded by Google, mostly. So it's free because you're the product.
- steviedotboston 6y ago
  Apples and oranges. The Python Software Foundation can't be held liable if terrorists use their software.
panta 6y ago
If it’s only a question of money, if a 3 letter agency or someone else pays more than you to access your unencrypted data then what happens?
- bigiain 6y ago
  Apple and Lavabit both say "Nope. Sorry" Zoom clearly says "Sure! (how high would you like me to jump, officer?)"
  - abc-xyz 6y ago
    You really shouldn’t hold Apple to such high standards. Just look at what they’re doing with iCloud in China.
throwaway888abc 6y ago
Fair options: All meetings recorded (for law agencies and similar future use) or paid version *We take your privacy seriously.
bigiain 6y ago
Do you trust the sort of CEO who'd make those statements to "protect you" for the $20/month you're paying? I suggest looking elsewhere instead of supporting Zoom.
hrktb 6y ago
While I understand the tradeoff they took, it also means there’s no end to end encryption if any of the party is not paying. Imagine being in a call with 4 people, 3 of you are paying customers and you’ll need to ask the fourth to also pay Zoom to get encryption. It’s a bad deal for the paying users as well.

alternatively, the FBI is sponsoring "free" for whoever wants it.

Given their eagerness to work with the FBI why would anyone not assume they’d give the FBI encryption keys for paid sessions of interest to them?

asiachick 6y ago

> There is always a cost for free. There is? I'm not sure what my cost for clang, python, llvm, firefox, is for being free. Even wikipedia, mdn, openstreetmaps, ...

pmlnr 6y ago
I donate to wikipedia. They need to pay for electricity, servers, etc as well.
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CommieDetector 6y ago
>wikipedia The cost is haveing an EXTREM leftist slant on all articles.
walkingolof 6y ago
Someone else is paying for that, because very little happens for free.
robertlagrant 6y ago
Firefox is funded by Google, mostly. So it's free because you're the product.
steviedotboston 6y ago
Apples and oranges. The Python Software Foundation can't be held liable if terrorists use their software.

panta 6y ago

If it’s only a question of money, if a 3 letter agency or someone else pays more than you to access your unencrypted data then what happens?

bigiain 6y ago
Apple and Lavabit both say "Nope. Sorry" Zoom clearly says "Sure! (how high would you like me to jump, officer?)"
- abc-xyz 6y ago
  You really shouldn’t hold Apple to such high standards. Just look at what they’re doing with iCloud in China.

throwaway888abc 6y ago

Fair options: All meetings recorded (for law agencies and similar future use) or paid version *We take your privacy seriously.

bigiain 6y ago

Do you trust the sort of CEO who'd make those statements to "protect you" for the $20/month you're paying? I suggest looking elsewhere instead of supporting Zoom.

hrktb 6y ago

While I understand the tradeoff they took, it also means there’s no end to end encryption if any of the party is not paying. Imagine being in a call with 4 people, 3 of you are paying customers and you’ll need to ask the fourth to also pay Zoom to get encryption. It’s a bad deal for the paying users as well.