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Just a heads-up: before you get angry, bear in mind the situation is evolving and that the context and the timing information are very relevant. Here's why: at

Just a heads-up: before you get angry, bear in mind the situation is evolving and that the context and the timing information are very relevant. Here's why: at least in NYC, I know the protest leaders and the NYPD police chief got together just a day or two ago to have a dialog and try to mend things so they can work together instead of against each other. [1] They don't hate each other, and in any case, both sides realize they need the other's support. They just want to be able to work together to keep things peaceful. And it seems like they're giving each other another chance to do things right, and it's important that they get that chance instead of having more tensions flare again as a result of anger from 3 days ago. So, before you get worked up about what happened, check the date, and try to see if there's any local news in the city that might indicate something might have changed in the meantime. You won't necessarily see these on frontpage headlines, so it might take a bit of digging. (I've found actual videos from local news reporting on the ground much more helpful than textual articles from national outlets here. It seems to me it's just too difficult to capture all the relevant dynamics, emotion, and nuance in text.) In fact, if anyone's involved, I would suggest putting this information in the repo here as well. You don't want to add fuel onto a fire that was already under control a few days ago, and you want to know when (or whether) good progress is being made. Ultimately the goal is to find a working model that others can hopefully emulate. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJGT06zIUiY&t=2m32s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJGT06zIUiY&t=2m32s

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panic 6y ago
It's hard to believe that report when it doesn't name any of the people or organizations they met with. As far as I know, the protesters don't have any leaders that could negotiate on their behalf.
- mehrdadn 6y ago
  I don't know, maybe he's wrong about them being leaders. I'm happy to read more information about this; I just don't have more info unfortunately. Does it really matter if they're leaders or not though? It's not like it doesn't count if the situation improves without the leaders being involved, or without us knowing what their names might be.
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adjkant 6y ago
While coming to the table is important and I think reacting thoughtfully to this is important, I think it's important to note that these incidents of police brutality are being documented a lot more due to the current events and scale but these are far from isolated to these protests. It's simply much easier to avoid being recorded in day to day life while everyone has their cameras out for these. As far as rational, controlled, and motivated anger goes, what day these events happen on should not stand in the way. This needs to be harnessed to enact massive structural change of course, not online flame wars or unproductive methods of protest. Still, that very anger you see is also able to be used to motivate many people to add in ways they may not have before. White people are starting to understand that they can be used as literal shields [1] against police brutality, and that should not be lost in this. There is much to be gained in a positive way from this anger. I do appreciate your general sentiment here, I just wanted to underscore that the anger here, particularly that felt by POC, has deep roots beyond these incidents and can be used positively. I think that caveat is where we agree - how to harness that anger. [1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZJ5P_gWAAADwpQ.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZJ5P_gWAAADwpQ.jpg https://twitter.com/michellebhasin/status/1267476355433877504 https://twitter.com/michellebhasin/status/126747635543387750...
johnnyfaehell 6y ago
> Just a heads-up: before you get angry, bear in mind the situation is evolving and that the context and the timing information are very relevant. "Before you get angry about police brutality, remember context is important!" Are you serious?! Some people are talking to the police chief so you shouldn't be angry that they are blockading people on to a bridge. Or angry that they are driving SUVs into people. Or violently pushing people to the ground. And that's just the NYPD. A department where the commissioner was praising the department for their restrain, if that's restrain wait until they stop holding back. Giving each other the chance to do the right thing? What are you talking about? What do the protesters need to do? Stop proetesting? > So, before you get worked up about what happened, check the date, and try to see if there's any local news in the city that might indicate something might have changed in the meantime > So, before you get worked up about what happened, check the date, and try to see if there's any local news in the city that might indicate something might have changed in the meantime. You won't necessarily see these on frontpage headlines, so it might take a bit of digging. (I've found actual videos from local news reporting on the ground much more helpful than textual articles from national outlets here. It seems to me it's just too difficult to capture all the relevant dynamics, emotion, and nuance in text.) Are you nuts? So if it happened 3 days ago and the police are saying sorry but not laying charges, it's a-ok? There are no real nuances here. You have police shooting rubber bullets are people's faces, spraying them with pepper spray while they have their hands up, tear gassing people. All while not facing criminal charges. > In fact, if anyone's involved, I would suggest putting this information in the repo here as well. You don't want to add fuel onto a fire that was already under control a few days ago, and you want to know when (or whether) good progress is being made. Ultimately the goal is to find a working model that others can hopefully emulate. No, you want to add fuel to this fire if you want this problem to be solved. Working models can be found in nearly every civilised country in the world. Stop telling people not to be angry and start being angry.
- xupybd 6y ago
  Getting angry could cause more innocent people to get killed. Some are working towards a better future in these protests. Others are just getting inflamed and doing things they might regret. Adding emotive fuel will only cause more harm
grey-area 6y ago
Just a heads-up: before you get angry A man was murdered in broad daylight.
- mehrdadn 6y ago
  That's not what I was talking about?
  - grey-area 6y ago
    Exactly
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mehrdadn 6y ago
Update: and it indeed seems things have now started taking a positive turn: > The eighth night of protests saw less violence, fewer police clashes and more acts of civil disobedience. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/us-protests-wednesday-george-floyd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/us-protests-wednesday-geor...

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panic 6y ago

It's hard to believe that report when it doesn't name any of the people or organizations they met with. As far as I know, the protesters don't have any leaders that could negotiate on their behalf.

mehrdadn 6y ago
I don't know, maybe he's wrong about them being leaders. I'm happy to read more information about this; I just don't have more info unfortunately. Does it really matter if they're leaders or not though? It's not like it doesn't count if the situation improves without the leaders being involved, or without us knowing what their names might be.
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adjkant 6y ago

While coming to the table is important and I think reacting thoughtfully to this is important, I think it's important to note that these incidents of police brutality are being documented a lot more due to the current events and scale but these are far from isolated to these protests. It's simply much easier to avoid being recorded in day to day life while everyone has their cameras out for these. As far as rational, controlled, and motivated anger goes, what day these events happen on should not stand in the way. This needs to be harnessed to enact massive structural change of course, not online flame wars or unproductive methods of protest. Still, that very anger you see is also able to be used to motivate many people to add in ways they may not have before. White people are starting to understand that they can be used as literal shields [1] against police brutality, and that should not be lost in this. There is much to be gained in a positive way from this anger. I do appreciate your general sentiment here, I just wanted to underscore that the anger here, particularly that felt by POC, has deep roots beyond these incidents and can be used positively. I think that caveat is where we agree - how to harness that anger. [1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZJ5P_gWAAADwpQ.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZJ5P_gWAAADwpQ.jpg https://twitter.com/michellebhasin/status/1267476355433877504 https://twitter.com/michellebhasin/status/126747635543387750...

johnnyfaehell 6y ago

> Just a heads-up: before you get angry, bear in mind the situation is evolving and that the context and the timing information are very relevant. "Before you get angry about police brutality, remember context is important!" Are you serious?! Some people are talking to the police chief so you shouldn't be angry that they are blockading people on to a bridge. Or angry that they are driving SUVs into people. Or violently pushing people to the ground. And that's just the NYPD. A department where the commissioner was praising the department for their restrain, if that's restrain wait until they stop holding back. Giving each other the chance to do the right thing? What are you talking about? What do the protesters need to do? Stop proetesting? > So, before you get worked up about what happened, check the date, and try to see if there's any local news in the city that might indicate something might have changed in the meantime > So, before you get worked up about what happened, check the date, and try to see if there's any local news in the city that might indicate something might have changed in the meantime. You won't necessarily see these on frontpage headlines, so it might take a bit of digging. (I've found actual videos from local news reporting on the ground much more helpful than textual articles from national outlets here. It seems to me it's just too difficult to capture all the relevant dynamics, emotion, and nuance in text.) Are you nuts? So if it happened 3 days ago and the police are saying sorry but not laying charges, it's a-ok? There are no real nuances here. You have police shooting rubber bullets are people's faces, spraying them with pepper spray while they have their hands up, tear gassing people. All while not facing criminal charges. > In fact, if anyone's involved, I would suggest putting this information in the repo here as well. You don't want to add fuel onto a fire that was already under control a few days ago, and you want to know when (or whether) good progress is being made. Ultimately the goal is to find a working model that others can hopefully emulate. No, you want to add fuel to this fire if you want this problem to be solved. Working models can be found in nearly every civilised country in the world. Stop telling people not to be angry and start being angry.

xupybd 6y ago
Getting angry could cause more innocent people to get killed. Some are working towards a better future in these protests. Others are just getting inflamed and doing things they might regret. Adding emotive fuel will only cause more harm

grey-area 6y ago

Just a heads-up: before you get angry A man was murdered in broad daylight.

mehrdadn 6y ago
That's not what I was talking about?
- grey-area 6y ago
  Exactly

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mehrdadn 6y ago

Update: and it indeed seems things have now started taking a positive turn: > The eighth night of protests saw less violence, fewer police clashes and more acts of civil disobedience. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/us-protests-wednesday-george-floyd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/us-protests-wednesday-geor...