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So just roll the dice that you’re not going to hurt anyone by blocking traffic? Who’s responsible if something does go wrong? That’s going to really help the

by jcims 6y ago

So just roll the dice that you’re not going to hurt anyone by blocking traffic? Who’s responsible if something does go wrong? That’s going to really help the cause.

megous 6y ago
We'd still have communism here if people were so obedient and concerned about blocking traffic that millions would not go into the streets for protests in 1989.
- jcims 6y ago
  Look people can build killdozers and flatten police buildings for all i care. The point is that blocking traffic is an escalation that could literally cost lives, either by denying travel in an emergency or by putting cars and human bodies in conflict.
  - jascii 6y ago
    We should really have laws against commuting, commuters block traffic way more frequently than protests do.. Work is an escalation that could literally cost lives..
    - dbsmith83 6y ago
      You're just being obtuse now. It's a shame you don't value ordinary people's lives. It's a very privileged position to be in.
      - jascii 6y ago
        The simple fact is that no people have been killed due to a protest blocking the road. People have been killed by police violence. Theoretical grandstanding over an unlikely hypothetical scenario to condemn protesters is being obtuse.
        dbsmith83 6y ago
        Oh really, how do you know this? Given the scale of protests over time, I bet it is likely someone has. And if someone hasn't already, someone eventually will. Saying something has never happened so therefore it won't happen is ridiculous. This is not theoretical grandstanding, this is recognizing a potential threat.
        jascii 6y ago
        You don't think It'd be all over "Fox News" if it did?
        dbsmith83 6y ago
        Sure, if it was perfectly knowable it would be. Fox news would be numero uno--no doubt. But things like this are not necessarily known. It can be a complicated thing to piece together. What IS known is that at a large scale there is a -calculable- probability that someone who needs help could get caught up, or someone like a surgeon who needs to give help could get caught up. Again, like I said earlier, if it hasn't happened then it will. I'm willing to bet it has happened (though whether it has or has not yet is pointless debate given that it will with a statistical certainty).
- dbsmith83 6y ago
  That's a very lazy assessment of this situation with so many logical fallacies, while also demonstrating a callous disregard for other people.
CathedralBorrow 6y ago
So to help your cause, make sure to never block traffic. Is that a fair understanding of your position?
- jcims 6y ago
  No. It's that blocking traffic is a material, aggressive escalation of a protest that could have very negative ramifications to the cause. Not only does it really really piss people off, it puts human bodies in direct conflict with vehicles and could potentially block travel to someone that needs urgent medical attention. If that's your jam then go for it. For my part, if i am in a vehicle with family and we are in a traffic jam due to a protest, i'm going to be in an agitated state...not because of the delay but because of the inability to escape. I'll wait it out, but if people start attacking my car and breaking windows, i'm hitting the gas till i see daylight. That innate sense of how i would respond and is why i think people should approach blocking traffic with caution.
  - jascii 6y ago
    The way you are firing yourself up to commit homicide over a hypothetical situation is scary. Please seek help.
    - giardini 6y ago
      jascii says>"The way you are firing yourself up to commit homicide over a hypothetical situation..."< He's isn't "firing [himself] up.." as you say, he's thinking out what could possibly happen and considering what his options are. If you wait until you're in such a situation (people are breaking into your car and threatening to harm the occupants) you simply don't have sufficient time to think out those options - you must think and prepare ahead of time. For those who live in places where riots or firefight break out regularly, this is the proper and usual way to prepare. FWIW in most of the USA it isn't homicide if you kill an attacker(s), provided you are defending life or limb of yourself, others and/or your property.
      - 6y ago
JamesBarney 6y ago
There are a million reasons that traffic gets blocked such as parades, funerals, road construction, and traffic accidents. And I didn't hear anyone make the argument any of those things should be banned to prevent the potential loss of life from someone trying to get to a hospital while not in an ambulance. It really seems like an isolated demand for safety.
- dbsmith83 6y ago
  Terrible analogies. Those are mostly planned things which give people opportunity to plan for.
  - JamesBarney 6y ago
    Does it matter if it's planned? If you have a medical condition and you need to get to a hospital it doesn't matter whether you had a week's notice or a days notice because the need to get to a hospital is unplanned.
    - jcims 6y ago
      Yes it matters that it's planned. There are permits, detours, announcements and emergency response planning for all of the above. Here's the process for getting a parade permit in NYC - https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/services/law-enforcement/permits-licenses-permits.page#:~:text=Applying%20for%20a%20Parade%20Permit,can%20assist%20with%20the%20application https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/services/law-enforcement/perm....
    - dbsmith83 6y ago
      Another assumption that is just completely untrue. Some people have important yet routine things that are crucial to their health. And planning does matter, because when events are planned, proper detours can be set up with signage.

by jcims 6y ago

So just roll the dice that you’re not going to hurt anyone by blocking traffic? Who’s responsible if something does go wrong? That’s going to really help the cause.

megous 6y ago

We'd still have communism here if people were so obedient and concerned about blocking traffic that millions would not go into the streets for protests in 1989.

jcims 6y ago
Look people can build killdozers and flatten police buildings for all i care. The point is that blocking traffic is an escalation that could literally cost lives, either by denying travel in an emergency or by putting cars and human bodies in conflict.
- jascii 6y ago
  We should really have laws against commuting, commuters block traffic way more frequently than protests do.. Work is an escalation that could literally cost lives..
  - dbsmith83 6y ago
    You're just being obtuse now. It's a shame you don't value ordinary people's lives. It's a very privileged position to be in.
    - jascii 6y ago
      The simple fact is that no people have been killed due to a protest blocking the road. People have been killed by police violence. Theoretical grandstanding over an unlikely hypothetical scenario to condemn protesters is being obtuse.
      - dbsmith83 6y ago
        Oh really, how do you know this? Given the scale of protests over time, I bet it is likely someone has. And if someone hasn't already, someone eventually will. Saying something has never happened so therefore it won't happen is ridiculous. This is not theoretical grandstanding, this is recognizing a potential threat.
        jascii 6y ago
        You don't think It'd be all over "Fox News" if it did?
        dbsmith83 6y ago
        Sure, if it was perfectly knowable it would be. Fox news would be numero uno--no doubt. But things like this are not necessarily known. It can be a complicated thing to piece together. What IS known is that at a large scale there is a -calculable- probability that someone who needs help could get caught up, or someone like a surgeon who needs to give help could get caught up. Again, like I said earlier, if it hasn't happened then it will. I'm willing to bet it has happened (though whether it has or has not yet is pointless debate given that it will with a statistical certainty).
dbsmith83 6y ago
That's a very lazy assessment of this situation with so many logical fallacies, while also demonstrating a callous disregard for other people.

CathedralBorrow 6y ago

So to help your cause, make sure to never block traffic. Is that a fair understanding of your position?

jcims 6y ago
No. It's that blocking traffic is a material, aggressive escalation of a protest that could have very negative ramifications to the cause. Not only does it really really piss people off, it puts human bodies in direct conflict with vehicles and could potentially block travel to someone that needs urgent medical attention. If that's your jam then go for it. For my part, if i am in a vehicle with family and we are in a traffic jam due to a protest, i'm going to be in an agitated state...not because of the delay but because of the inability to escape. I'll wait it out, but if people start attacking my car and breaking windows, i'm hitting the gas till i see daylight. That innate sense of how i would respond and is why i think people should approach blocking traffic with caution.
- jascii 6y ago
  The way you are firing yourself up to commit homicide over a hypothetical situation is scary. Please seek help.
  - giardini 6y ago
    jascii says>"The way you are firing yourself up to commit homicide over a hypothetical situation..."< He's isn't "firing [himself] up.." as you say, he's thinking out what could possibly happen and considering what his options are. If you wait until you're in such a situation (people are breaking into your car and threatening to harm the occupants) you simply don't have sufficient time to think out those options - you must think and prepare ahead of time. For those who live in places where riots or firefight break out regularly, this is the proper and usual way to prepare. FWIW in most of the USA it isn't homicide if you kill an attacker(s), provided you are defending life or limb of yourself, others and/or your property.
    - 6y ago

JamesBarney 6y ago

There are a million reasons that traffic gets blocked such as parades, funerals, road construction, and traffic accidents. And I didn't hear anyone make the argument any of those things should be banned to prevent the potential loss of life from someone trying to get to a hospital while not in an ambulance. It really seems like an isolated demand for safety.

dbsmith83 6y ago
Terrible analogies. Those are mostly planned things which give people opportunity to plan for.
- JamesBarney 6y ago
  Does it matter if it's planned? If you have a medical condition and you need to get to a hospital it doesn't matter whether you had a week's notice or a days notice because the need to get to a hospital is unplanned.
  - jcims 6y ago
    Yes it matters that it's planned. There are permits, detours, announcements and emergency response planning for all of the above. Here's the process for getting a parade permit in NYC - https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/services/law-enforcement/permits-licenses-permits.page#:~:text=Applying%20for%20a%20Parade%20Permit,can%20assist%20with%20the%20application https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/services/law-enforcement/perm....
  - dbsmith83 6y ago
    Another assumption that is just completely untrue. Some people have important yet routine things that are crucial to their health. And planning does matter, because when events are planned, proper detours can be set up with signage.