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This tweet has a good two minute video of some of these cases, for those who are questioning if this is "valid" as I have seen in many threads. https://twitter

This tweet has a good two minute video of some of these cases, for those who are questioning if this is "valid" as I have seen in many threads. https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320 https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320

ebg13 6y ago
This one is from a link further down. I think it tells pretty much everything. https://twitter.com/stephtseo/status/1267680737915924480?s=09 https://twitter.com/stephtseo/status/1267680737915924480?s=0...
- asiachick 6y ago
  I don't see what you seem to see in that video. I see an umbrella put way over the fence. I see a policeman grab an umbrella that was way over fence. I see then someone else reach across the fence in response to the police grabbing the umbrella. I see the police then react to that person reaching across the fence. I don't see blame. I just see tinder, a spark, and an escalation. I'm fully 100% for "Black Lives Matter" and 100% against police brutality and the militarization of the police. But that video is too ambiguous convince all people. It's the same with the CNN reporter. People who want to see racism see a black reporter get arrested. People who don't want to see racism see 3 people getting arrested, one black, one white, one latino? Yes, racism exists but that video is also not proof of it.
  - ebg13 6y ago
    > that video. First of all, it's two videos. Watch the aerial view in the immediate reply. (If you didn't see it, you can find it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the_moment_it_all_happened/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the...) > I see a policeman grab You see an attempted robbery resulting in the destruction of someone's private property. > I see then someone else reach You see a person trying to hold onto their property as they're pulled over the fence because a cop just assaulted them. > I see the police then react You see the police immediately start spraying and bombing and gassing, with the flimsiest excuse, an entire crowd of people who are literally just chanting. This coordinated initiation of violence is extremely typical from the police playbook. Watch this third video from 26:30 as the filmer explains the meaning of a "posture" change when the police swap in gasmask brutes in place of the bicycle cops who were standing there before, showing that they planned to escalate from the beginning. https://www.facebook.com/omarisal/videos/10220021035848747/ https://www.facebook.com/omarisal/videos/10220021035848747/
    - adjkant 6y ago
      Wow, that explanation, live, and seeing it play out is incredible. That narration and video work given the situation is incredibly commendable.
    - californical 6y ago
      Holy crap, that last video was eye opening and horrendous to watch. The police basically assaulted that person for holding an umbrella, then that person was obviously surprised and didn't want to let go of their umbrella, probably didn't even realize why it was getting pulled out of their hands. The police responded by pepper spraying everyone. It's incredibly obvious that this started because the officer aggressively grabbed that umbrella for no reason, and the crowd gets pepper sprayed. Along with bringing in the heavy duty officers just moments before this happens, it's obvious that they just wanted an excuse to bring in their weapons
    - asiachick 6y ago
      The aerial video doesn't help at all. If you're being unkind to the protesters then the ground level video shows a protester shoving an umbrella in a policeman's face which is the start of the entire thing. The policeman reacts as anyone would when someone shoves something in their face, they grab/bat it away. That causes others to reach over the fence which would appear threatening and then the spray starts. If you're assuming good intentions on the part of that protestor then the umbrella being over the fence and in the face of an officer was just an accident of being too close the fence so that their umbrella ended up in the police officer's face. The result is the same, the protester is crossing the line like the "I'm not touching you" meme. The officer has an umbrella shoved in their face and they react. https://www.slideshare.net/Matthewthig/4-11-am-im-not-touching-you https://www.slideshare.net/Matthewthig/4-11-am-im-not-touchi... From the officer's POV this (https://pasteboard.co/Jbm1UXn.jpg https://pasteboard.co/Jbm1UXn.jpg) is a protester trying to intentionally block their view or just annoy them. I know you won't accept that interpretation as remotely valid because you've already decided there is only one correct way to see it. I'm not placing blame and I'm not defending the police. I'm just pointing out your interpretation of what happened is just that, an interpretation. There is at least one other perfectly valid interpretation.

ebg13 6y ago

This one is from a link further down. I think it tells pretty much everything. https://twitter.com/stephtseo/status/1267680737915924480?s=09 https://twitter.com/stephtseo/status/1267680737915924480?s=0...

asiachick 6y ago
I don't see what you seem to see in that video. I see an umbrella put way over the fence. I see a policeman grab an umbrella that was way over fence. I see then someone else reach across the fence in response to the police grabbing the umbrella. I see the police then react to that person reaching across the fence. I don't see blame. I just see tinder, a spark, and an escalation. I'm fully 100% for "Black Lives Matter" and 100% against police brutality and the militarization of the police. But that video is too ambiguous convince all people. It's the same with the CNN reporter. People who want to see racism see a black reporter get arrested. People who don't want to see racism see 3 people getting arrested, one black, one white, one latino? Yes, racism exists but that video is also not proof of it.
- ebg13 6y ago
  > that video. First of all, it's two videos. Watch the aerial view in the immediate reply. (If you didn't see it, you can find it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the_moment_it_all_happened/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the...) > I see a policeman grab You see an attempted robbery resulting in the destruction of someone's private property. > I see then someone else reach You see a person trying to hold onto their property as they're pulled over the fence because a cop just assaulted them. > I see the police then react You see the police immediately start spraying and bombing and gassing, with the flimsiest excuse, an entire crowd of people who are literally just chanting. This coordinated initiation of violence is extremely typical from the police playbook. Watch this third video from 26:30 as the filmer explains the meaning of a "posture" change when the police swap in gasmask brutes in place of the bicycle cops who were standing there before, showing that they planned to escalate from the beginning. https://www.facebook.com/omarisal/videos/10220021035848747/ https://www.facebook.com/omarisal/videos/10220021035848747/
  - adjkant 6y ago
    Wow, that explanation, live, and seeing it play out is incredible. That narration and video work given the situation is incredibly commendable.
  - californical 6y ago
    Holy crap, that last video was eye opening and horrendous to watch. The police basically assaulted that person for holding an umbrella, then that person was obviously surprised and didn't want to let go of their umbrella, probably didn't even realize why it was getting pulled out of their hands. The police responded by pepper spraying everyone. It's incredibly obvious that this started because the officer aggressively grabbed that umbrella for no reason, and the crowd gets pepper sprayed. Along with bringing in the heavy duty officers just moments before this happens, it's obvious that they just wanted an excuse to bring in their weapons
  - asiachick 6y ago
    The aerial video doesn't help at all. If you're being unkind to the protesters then the ground level video shows a protester shoving an umbrella in a policeman's face which is the start of the entire thing. The policeman reacts as anyone would when someone shoves something in their face, they grab/bat it away. That causes others to reach over the fence which would appear threatening and then the spray starts. If you're assuming good intentions on the part of that protestor then the umbrella being over the fence and in the face of an officer was just an accident of being too close the fence so that their umbrella ended up in the police officer's face. The result is the same, the protester is crossing the line like the "I'm not touching you" meme. The officer has an umbrella shoved in their face and they react. https://www.slideshare.net/Matthewthig/4-11-am-im-not-touching-you https://www.slideshare.net/Matthewthig/4-11-am-im-not-touchi... From the officer's POV this (https://pasteboard.co/Jbm1UXn.jpg https://pasteboard.co/Jbm1UXn.jpg) is a protester trying to intentionally block their view or just annoy them. I know you won't accept that interpretation as remotely valid because you've already decided there is only one correct way to see it. I'm not placing blame and I'm not defending the police. I'm just pointing out your interpretation of what happened is just that, an interpretation. There is at least one other perfectly valid interpretation.