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> that the Black and Brown people of US have other objective reasons to protest about, too. Speaking as a brown person, I am seeing a lot of white people in ma

> that the Black and Brown people of US have other objective reasons to protest about, too. Speaking as a brown person, I am seeing a lot of white people in masks burning down and looting the livelihoods of black and brown business owners. I think I remember having read about something like this having happened before in history.

adjkant 6y ago
Many of those white people arrested for said looting have been tied back to white supremacists groups who seem to be trying to discredit the protestors. This is all happening fast so I can't say this is the best source, but: https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arrested-looters-to-white-supremacist-groups/ https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arre...
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
  > Editor’s note: St. Paul Mayor and Governor Tim Walz on Sunday backed down from their claims on Saturday that 80% of those arrested for looting were from out of state or out of town. They still stressed that “bad actors” from outside the cities played a significant role in the destruction. I think this is mostly wishful thinking, by people who are too horrified to admit that their tribe can be doing bad and so blame “outsiders”.
  - pstuart 6y ago
    > I think this is mostly wishful thinking That's called projection, on your part. I don't think anybody supporting the protesters is horrified that some of the "legitimate" protesters are looting. They're more horrified by the systematic abuse and lack of accountability that has sparked these protests. Your insistence on focusing on the violence is a cheap distraction.
- eanzenberg 6y ago
  That’s fake news.. The coordinated effort to loot/riot with violent means is backed by Antifa. There is a lot of evidence of crates of bricks “left” at distinct corner locations. More recently, crates of pipe bombs were found in DC. I wouldn’t so much call them white supremacists but anarchists.
  - craftinator 6y ago
    That's great; where's your source. Give us something, any kind of specific evidence that points to Antifa; otherwise you're just pissing in the wind like all the other speculators and liars.
  - cycomanic 6y ago
    No: https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-finds-no-evidence-of-antifa-involvement-in-dc-violence-the-same-day-trump-said-it-was-a-terrorist-org https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-finds-no-evidence-of-antif...
  - Cthulhu_ 6y ago
    Who / where is antifa? Is it an actual organization or just a blanket statement to turn a group of people into boogeymen with a vaguely ominous sounding name?
- DarthGhandi 6y ago
  > Signs of any organized effort or even participation in the violence were relatively rare. “I have not seen any clear evidence that white supremacists or militiamen are masking up and going out to burn and loot,” said Howard Graves, a research analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center who tracks white supremacist and other anti-government extremist groups. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-protests-white-supremacists-antifa.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-protests-...
  - mistermann 6y ago
    White supremacists or militiamen (that can be specifically identified as such) no, but there seem to be a suspiciously high number of videos showing masked up young white kids who are cleary instigating destruction, and encouraging others to do so. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enforcement-plays-catch-stop-violence-radical-groups-protests-n1220486 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enfo... How true is all this? We'll likely never know, but it seems odd that the media and FBI seem to have very little interest in this very plausible scenario.
    - ryanbrunner 6y ago
      In my experience, "masked young white kids who instigate destruction" have been a constant presence at protests for quite a while now, and the same debate about their motivations occurs every single time. I don't doubt that in some cases, provocateurs and false flag actors exist, but there's definitely a not insubstantial amount of anarchist-leaning folks who are acting genuinely. The important thing to consider, in my mind, is whether your attention should be focused on a relatively small amount of property damage and looting, or the many, many examples of physical violence against people committed by police. Property damage is almost always a distraction, and is often intentionally used as one.
      - mistermann 6y ago
        > The important thing to consider, in my mind, is whether your attention should be focused on a relatively small amount of property damage and looting, or the many, many examples of physical violence against people committed by police. Property damage is almost always a distraction, and is often intentionally used as one. That's the very point people are speculating about.
mydongle 6y ago
https://streamable.com/kgvoqv https://streamable.com/kgvoqv - louis vutton looted https://streamable.com/kc5hwj https://streamable.com/kc5hwj - amazon truck stopped and looted https://streamable.com/jmr7ez https://streamable.com/jmr7ez - liquor store looted https://streamable.com/x8rb8h https://streamable.com/x8rb8h - another liquor store looted https://streamable.com/2ka2cm https://streamable.com/2ka2cm - store manniquens looted https://streamable.com/53l2qd https://streamable.com/53l2qd - office looted and trashed https://streamable.com/x3al2j https://streamable.com/x3al2j - target looted 1 https://streamable.com/e706oz https://streamable.com/e706oz - target looted 2 https://streamable.com/d9t0au https://streamable.com/d9t0au - target looted - 3 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=6961 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=6961 [Embed] - target looted 4 https://streamable.com/m3n5ju https://streamable.com/m3n5ju - ohio statehouse broken into https://streamable.com/z2ffvm https://streamable.com/z2ffvm - arsonist sets fire to himself (disturbing) https://streamable.com/2wjxc0 https://streamable.com/2wjxc0 - daytime looting https://youtu.be/HUptzxyfpgQ?t=285 https://youtu.be/HUptzxyfpgQ?t=285 [Embed] - people pulling cars up to stores to load loot hauls https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=1944 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=1944 [Embed] - drug store looted by mob https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=4349 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=4349 [Embed] - back of store looted out onto street https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=5077 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=5077 [Embed] - store mobbed cop car smashed https://imgur.com/BPPgQu9 https://imgur.com/BPPgQu9 - nations most revered science fiction bookstore and priceless collection torched https://streamable.com/6710vr https://streamable.com/6710vr - LA's favela like conditions post-riots https://streamable.com/vqi0vm https://streamable.com/vqi0vm - minneapolis aftermath warzone https://streamable.com/94c32c https://streamable.com/94c32c - minneapolis first night pandemonium https://streamable.com/revv8g https://streamable.com/revv8g - sympathetic protesters get their windows smashed for no reason How does anyone watch these scenes and perform the mental gymnastics required to believe all the rioting and looting was secretly done by white supremacists?
- sergiotapia 6y ago
  All I see is antifa people leading protesters into terrible choices.
- goldenkey 6y ago
  I see mostly black folks. Is it racist to state what I see? How many black folks are white supremacists?

adjkant 6y ago

Many of those white people arrested for said looting have been tied back to white supremacists groups who seem to be trying to discredit the protestors. This is all happening fast so I can't say this is the best source, but: https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arrested-looters-to-white-supremacist-groups/ https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arre...

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
> Editor’s note: St. Paul Mayor and Governor Tim Walz on Sunday backed down from their claims on Saturday that 80% of those arrested for looting were from out of state or out of town. They still stressed that “bad actors” from outside the cities played a significant role in the destruction. I think this is mostly wishful thinking, by people who are too horrified to admit that their tribe can be doing bad and so blame “outsiders”.
- pstuart 6y ago
  > I think this is mostly wishful thinking That's called projection, on your part. I don't think anybody supporting the protesters is horrified that some of the "legitimate" protesters are looting. They're more horrified by the systematic abuse and lack of accountability that has sparked these protests. Your insistence on focusing on the violence is a cheap distraction.
eanzenberg 6y ago
That’s fake news.. The coordinated effort to loot/riot with violent means is backed by Antifa. There is a lot of evidence of crates of bricks “left” at distinct corner locations. More recently, crates of pipe bombs were found in DC. I wouldn’t so much call them white supremacists but anarchists.
- craftinator 6y ago
  That's great; where's your source. Give us something, any kind of specific evidence that points to Antifa; otherwise you're just pissing in the wind like all the other speculators and liars.
- cycomanic 6y ago
  No: https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-finds-no-evidence-of-antifa-involvement-in-dc-violence-the-same-day-trump-said-it-was-a-terrorist-org https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-finds-no-evidence-of-antif...
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  Who / where is antifa? Is it an actual organization or just a blanket statement to turn a group of people into boogeymen with a vaguely ominous sounding name?
DarthGhandi 6y ago
> Signs of any organized effort or even participation in the violence were relatively rare. “I have not seen any clear evidence that white supremacists or militiamen are masking up and going out to burn and loot,” said Howard Graves, a research analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center who tracks white supremacist and other anti-government extremist groups. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-protests-white-supremacists-antifa.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-protests-...
- mistermann 6y ago
  White supremacists or militiamen (that can be specifically identified as such) no, but there seem to be a suspiciously high number of videos showing masked up young white kids who are cleary instigating destruction, and encouraging others to do so. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enforcement-plays-catch-stop-violence-radical-groups-protests-n1220486 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/law-enfo... How true is all this? We'll likely never know, but it seems odd that the media and FBI seem to have very little interest in this very plausible scenario.
  - ryanbrunner 6y ago
    In my experience, "masked young white kids who instigate destruction" have been a constant presence at protests for quite a while now, and the same debate about their motivations occurs every single time. I don't doubt that in some cases, provocateurs and false flag actors exist, but there's definitely a not insubstantial amount of anarchist-leaning folks who are acting genuinely. The important thing to consider, in my mind, is whether your attention should be focused on a relatively small amount of property damage and looting, or the many, many examples of physical violence against people committed by police. Property damage is almost always a distraction, and is often intentionally used as one.
    - mistermann 6y ago
      > The important thing to consider, in my mind, is whether your attention should be focused on a relatively small amount of property damage and looting, or the many, many examples of physical violence against people committed by police. Property damage is almost always a distraction, and is often intentionally used as one. That's the very point people are speculating about.

mydongle 6y ago

https://streamable.com/kgvoqv https://streamable.com/kgvoqv - louis vutton looted https://streamable.com/kc5hwj https://streamable.com/kc5hwj - amazon truck stopped and looted https://streamable.com/jmr7ez https://streamable.com/jmr7ez - liquor store looted https://streamable.com/x8rb8h https://streamable.com/x8rb8h - another liquor store looted https://streamable.com/2ka2cm https://streamable.com/2ka2cm - store manniquens looted https://streamable.com/53l2qd https://streamable.com/53l2qd - office looted and trashed https://streamable.com/x3al2j https://streamable.com/x3al2j - target looted 1 https://streamable.com/e706oz https://streamable.com/e706oz - target looted 2 https://streamable.com/d9t0au https://streamable.com/d9t0au - target looted - 3 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=6961 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=6961 [Embed] - target looted 4 https://streamable.com/m3n5ju https://streamable.com/m3n5ju - ohio statehouse broken into https://streamable.com/z2ffvm https://streamable.com/z2ffvm - arsonist sets fire to himself (disturbing) https://streamable.com/2wjxc0 https://streamable.com/2wjxc0 - daytime looting https://youtu.be/HUptzxyfpgQ?t=285 https://youtu.be/HUptzxyfpgQ?t=285 [Embed] - people pulling cars up to stores to load loot hauls https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=1944 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=1944 [Embed] - drug store looted by mob https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=4349 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=4349 [Embed] - back of store looted out onto street https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=5077 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=5077 [Embed] - store mobbed cop car smashed https://imgur.com/BPPgQu9 https://imgur.com/BPPgQu9 - nations most revered science fiction bookstore and priceless collection torched https://streamable.com/6710vr https://streamable.com/6710vr - LA's favela like conditions post-riots https://streamable.com/vqi0vm https://streamable.com/vqi0vm - minneapolis aftermath warzone https://streamable.com/94c32c https://streamable.com/94c32c - minneapolis first night pandemonium https://streamable.com/revv8g https://streamable.com/revv8g - sympathetic protesters get their windows smashed for no reason How does anyone watch these scenes and perform the mental gymnastics required to believe all the rioting and looting was secretly done by white supremacists?

sergiotapia 6y ago
All I see is antifa people leading protesters into terrible choices.
goldenkey 6y ago
I see mostly black folks. Is it racist to state what I see? How many black folks are white supremacists?