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I think that and the resulting unemployment boom certainly contributes, but you seem to miss the obvious point here - that the Black and Brown people of US have

I think that and the resulting unemployment boom certainly contributes, but you seem to miss the obvious point here - that the Black and Brown people of US have other objective reasons to protest about, too.

war1025 6y ago
Sure, Black and Brown people have legitimate things to protest. But all I see are videos of white kids throwing bricks and otherwise stirring the pot.
- ebg13 6y ago
  At this point, if that's all you've seen, it's because you aren't looking. So maybe look up videos of cops shooting journalists, smashing windows, bashing people in the face when they weren't doing anything, and running people over with their cars. There are literally hundreds of such videos from the past few days. Then you'd be able to say you've seen videos of things other than white kids throwing bricks.
  - TheGrim-888 6y ago
    "bashing people in the face when they weren't doing anything" Please link me to any such video. I bet you can't. I bet when I watch whatever you link to, there's more than adequate explanation for the use of force, that it isn't a person just sitting there minding their own business and they just get punched in the face. Unless of course you link to a video which has cut out all context, and all you see is a cop using force, which the majority of all these videos are.
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    - bunje 6y ago
      This was really interesting: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=isPkpZehssY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=isPkpZehssY
      - craftinator 6y ago
        Woh, crazy, did you see that cop rush the news cameraman after like 3 minutes of peaceful protests and literally bash him in the face? Man I'd look like such an asshole if I'd just bet that videos of this don't exist! Glad I didn't do that, I would feel just soooooo stupid! Like a real Grade A dumbass, that's for sure!
    - pbourke 6y ago
      https://twitter.com/allan_wrestle/status/1267230507428974592?s=21 https://twitter.com/allan_wrestle/status/1267230507428974592...
    - wetmore 6y ago
      https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016 not "bashing in the face" but I'm sure you can tell me why this old man was rightfully knocked over while standing around.
      - gremlinsinc 6y ago
        He sure looked menacingly at those cops. I'm sure he must've done something. Cops wouldn't do that w/out a reason. /s
        craftinator 6y ago
        Maybe it is the "everyone is born guilty" mantra? That would make the policies job a lot easier.
    - pbourke 6y ago
      https://twitter.com/michaeladams317/status/1266945268567678976?s=21 https://twitter.com/michaeladams317/status/12669452685676789...
    - pbourke 6y ago
      https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1267252951640346626?s=21 https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1267252951640346626?s=21
    - freeone3000 6y ago
      https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1267662905383596032 https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1267662905383596032
    - gremlinsinc 6y ago
      Cops shove woman down unprovoked so hard she went into seizures. https://twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843 https://twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843 Does casually hitting a man w/ a car door just to be a jerk count? https://twitter.com/DriveWendys/status/1266555286678048770 https://twitter.com/DriveWendys/status/1266555286678048770 Can you tell me what the state senator did do warrant pepper spray? https://twitter.com/zellnor4ny/status/1266802303807500288 https://twitter.com/zellnor4ny/status/1266802303807500288 Woman sitting on ground is pepper sprayed THEN KICKED in the head. https://twitter.com/ItsKadynC/status/1266967646345613317 https://twitter.com/ItsKadynC/status/1266967646345613317 what about a man that just was talking to police, got pepper sprayed and blasted in face w/ a flare? That was definitely not excessive either... https://old.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/gub8fx/police_shoot_protestor_point_blank_in_the_face/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/gub8fx/po...
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- whymauri 6y ago
  I mean, the United States is predominantly white. It's nearly certain that most people on video will be white, as a result. Also, the presence of white people does not negate that the protests are about black lives (not COVID). I won't engage with the statement about bricks because another user has that covered. Many of my black friends don't like the idea that the protests are about COVID tensions (even if income inequality and unemployment obviously contribute). It's felt like an erasure of their struggle. I'm Hispanic and have been profiled a few times in my life. While I cannot pretend to know the full spectrum of the black experience in the US, I'm inclined to agree that I feel similar, too. Edit: no clue why this keeps getting downvoted. The protests are (1) not only about COVID and (2) implying that they're only about COVID feels like erasure to Black (and Brown) people. Unless I'm missing something, here. Perhaps I need to be more detailed? The entire point of this protest is to be heard. There is a population, long silenced, that has a message to convey. Today that message is BLM - and it is incredibly taxing to convey that message. To then look that movement in the eye and completely miss the message, returns us to square one: the problem of being unheard. That is what I mean by "a feeling of erasure."
kyrra 6y ago
What is the objective reason they should be protesting?
- adjkant 6y ago
  Wide scale police brutality and a lack of accountability or change over 30 years+. Rodney King. Ferguson. The countless names and incidents in between. In my hometown, there was a young black man shot 17 times in the back that sparked local protests just like these where tear gas was also deployed. That was 15 years ago now. This story has looked the same and nothing has changed, and we are finally seeing it boil over at a national level. Look at some of the efforts by this organization, who existed before Trump even was on the radar, to understand: https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision
  - pstuart 6y ago
    A nit: I think it's safe to say the brutality and lack of accountability has been baked into the system from the start. It's only recently that we've been able to record and share it.
    - adjkant 6y ago
      100% agreed, I tried to highlight that with the + but I think this nit is helpful and will hopefully flag this for people who might not think back to that type of history, like how sheriffs were originally created to track down runaway slaves. Perhaps this showing of true colors is just underscoring their original purpose and how little the system and culture within it has changed. https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-a...
    - MisterBastahrd 6y ago
      I grew up with a guy who was murdered by cops because he.... woke up when they confronted him about why he was sleeping behind the wheel of his car. His kids have been growing up without a father or his income. Death by cop in Mississippi isn't going to win you any civil cases.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
> that the Black and Brown people of US have other objective reasons to protest about, too. Speaking as a brown person, I am seeing a lot of white people in masks burning down and looting the livelihoods of black and brown business owners. I think I remember having read about something like this having happened before in history.
- adjkant 6y ago
  Many of those white people arrested for said looting have been tied back to white supremacists groups who seem to be trying to discredit the protestors. This is all happening fast so I can't say this is the best source, but: https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arrested-looters-to-white-supremacist-groups/ https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arre...
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
    > Editor’s note: St. Paul Mayor and Governor Tim Walz on Sunday backed down from their claims on Saturday that 80% of those arrested for looting were from out of state or out of town. They still stressed that “bad actors” from outside the cities played a significant role in the destruction. I think this is mostly wishful thinking, by people who are too horrified to admit that their tribe can be doing bad and so blame “outsiders”.
    - pstuart 6y ago
      > I think this is mostly wishful thinking That's called projection, on your part. I don't think anybody supporting the protesters is horrified that some of the "legitimate" protesters are looting. They're more horrified by the systematic abuse and lack of accountability that has sparked these protests. Your insistence on focusing on the violence is a cheap distraction.
  - eanzenberg 6y ago
    That’s fake news.. The coordinated effort to loot/riot with violent means is backed by Antifa. There is a lot of evidence of crates of bricks “left” at distinct corner locations. More recently, crates of pipe bombs were found in DC. I wouldn’t so much call them white supremacists but anarchists.

war1025 6y ago

Sure, Black and Brown people have legitimate things to protest. But all I see are videos of white kids throwing bricks and otherwise stirring the pot.

ebg13 6y ago
At this point, if that's all you've seen, it's because you aren't looking. So maybe look up videos of cops shooting journalists, smashing windows, bashing people in the face when they weren't doing anything, and running people over with their cars. There are literally hundreds of such videos from the past few days. Then you'd be able to say you've seen videos of things other than white kids throwing bricks.
- TheGrim-888 6y ago
  "bashing people in the face when they weren't doing anything" Please link me to any such video. I bet you can't. I bet when I watch whatever you link to, there's more than adequate explanation for the use of force, that it isn't a person just sitting there minding their own business and they just get punched in the face. Unless of course you link to a video which has cut out all context, and all you see is a cop using force, which the majority of all these videos are.
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  - bunje 6y ago
    This was really interesting: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=isPkpZehssY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=isPkpZehssY
    - craftinator 6y ago
      Woh, crazy, did you see that cop rush the news cameraman after like 3 minutes of peaceful protests and literally bash him in the face? Man I'd look like such an asshole if I'd just bet that videos of this don't exist! Glad I didn't do that, I would feel just soooooo stupid! Like a real Grade A dumbass, that's for sure!
  - pbourke 6y ago
    https://twitter.com/allan_wrestle/status/1267230507428974592?s=21 https://twitter.com/allan_wrestle/status/1267230507428974592...
  - wetmore 6y ago
    https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016 not "bashing in the face" but I'm sure you can tell me why this old man was rightfully knocked over while standing around.
    - gremlinsinc 6y ago
      He sure looked menacingly at those cops. I'm sure he must've done something. Cops wouldn't do that w/out a reason. /s
      - craftinator 6y ago
        Maybe it is the "everyone is born guilty" mantra? That would make the policies job a lot easier.
  - pbourke 6y ago
    https://twitter.com/michaeladams317/status/1266945268567678976?s=21 https://twitter.com/michaeladams317/status/12669452685676789...
  - pbourke 6y ago
    https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1267252951640346626?s=21 https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1267252951640346626?s=21
  - freeone3000 6y ago
    https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1267662905383596032 https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk/status/1267662905383596032
  - gremlinsinc 6y ago
    Cops shove woman down unprovoked so hard she went into seizures. https://twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843 https://twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843 Does casually hitting a man w/ a car door just to be a jerk count? https://twitter.com/DriveWendys/status/1266555286678048770 https://twitter.com/DriveWendys/status/1266555286678048770 Can you tell me what the state senator did do warrant pepper spray? https://twitter.com/zellnor4ny/status/1266802303807500288 https://twitter.com/zellnor4ny/status/1266802303807500288 Woman sitting on ground is pepper sprayed THEN KICKED in the head. https://twitter.com/ItsKadynC/status/1266967646345613317 https://twitter.com/ItsKadynC/status/1266967646345613317 what about a man that just was talking to police, got pepper sprayed and blasted in face w/ a flare? That was definitely not excessive either... https://old.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/gub8fx/police_shoot_protestor_point_blank_in_the_face/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/gub8fx/po...
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whymauri 6y ago
I mean, the United States is predominantly white. It's nearly certain that most people on video will be white, as a result. Also, the presence of white people does not negate that the protests are about black lives (not COVID). I won't engage with the statement about bricks because another user has that covered. Many of my black friends don't like the idea that the protests are about COVID tensions (even if income inequality and unemployment obviously contribute). It's felt like an erasure of their struggle. I'm Hispanic and have been profiled a few times in my life. While I cannot pretend to know the full spectrum of the black experience in the US, I'm inclined to agree that I feel similar, too. Edit: no clue why this keeps getting downvoted. The protests are (1) not only about COVID and (2) implying that they're only about COVID feels like erasure to Black (and Brown) people. Unless I'm missing something, here. Perhaps I need to be more detailed? The entire point of this protest is to be heard. There is a population, long silenced, that has a message to convey. Today that message is BLM - and it is incredibly taxing to convey that message. To then look that movement in the eye and completely miss the message, returns us to square one: the problem of being unheard. That is what I mean by "a feeling of erasure."

kyrra 6y ago

What is the objective reason they should be protesting?

adjkant 6y ago
Wide scale police brutality and a lack of accountability or change over 30 years+. Rodney King. Ferguson. The countless names and incidents in between. In my hometown, there was a young black man shot 17 times in the back that sparked local protests just like these where tear gas was also deployed. That was 15 years ago now. This story has looked the same and nothing has changed, and we are finally seeing it boil over at a national level. Look at some of the efforts by this organization, who existed before Trump even was on the radar, to understand: https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision
- pstuart 6y ago
  A nit: I think it's safe to say the brutality and lack of accountability has been baked into the system from the start. It's only recently that we've been able to record and share it.
  - adjkant 6y ago
    100% agreed, I tried to highlight that with the + but I think this nit is helpful and will hopefully flag this for people who might not think back to that type of history, like how sheriffs were originally created to track down runaway slaves. Perhaps this showing of true colors is just underscoring their original purpose and how little the system and culture within it has changed. https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-a...
  - MisterBastahrd 6y ago
    I grew up with a guy who was murdered by cops because he.... woke up when they confronted him about why he was sleeping behind the wheel of his car. His kids have been growing up without a father or his income. Death by cop in Mississippi isn't going to win you any civil cases.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago

> that the Black and Brown people of US have other objective reasons to protest about, too. Speaking as a brown person, I am seeing a lot of white people in masks burning down and looting the livelihoods of black and brown business owners. I think I remember having read about something like this having happened before in history.

adjkant 6y ago
Many of those white people arrested for said looting have been tied back to white supremacists groups who seem to be trying to discredit the protestors. This is all happening fast so I can't say this is the best source, but: https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arrested-looters-to-white-supremacist-groups/ https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arre...
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
  > Editor’s note: St. Paul Mayor and Governor Tim Walz on Sunday backed down from their claims on Saturday that 80% of those arrested for looting were from out of state or out of town. They still stressed that “bad actors” from outside the cities played a significant role in the destruction. I think this is mostly wishful thinking, by people who are too horrified to admit that their tribe can be doing bad and so blame “outsiders”.
  - pstuart 6y ago
    > I think this is mostly wishful thinking That's called projection, on your part. I don't think anybody supporting the protesters is horrified that some of the "legitimate" protesters are looting. They're more horrified by the systematic abuse and lack of accountability that has sparked these protests. Your insistence on focusing on the violence is a cheap distraction.
- eanzenberg 6y ago
  That’s fake news.. The coordinated effort to loot/riot with violent means is backed by Antifa. There is a lot of evidence of crates of bricks “left” at distinct corner locations. More recently, crates of pipe bombs were found in DC. I wouldn’t so much call them white supremacists but anarchists.