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He seems happy to accept that 1% (as a placeholder) of cops are murderers, and there's nothing we can do about that. (He claimed that in the context of propert

He seems happy to accept that 1% (as a placeholder) of cops are murderers, and there's nothing we can do about that. (He claimed that in the context of property damage, which hides the actual implications of that carelessness, because it wasn't police property damage that triggered this current unrest...) I _strongly_ disagree. A cop committing assault or murder, while on the job, is a thing society needs to take great care does not happen. It's abhorrent to me to take a "shit happens" attitude to cop killings.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Parent said property damage, not me. So your uncharitable assumptions about my intentions are way off on that point. If you want to reframe the issue from property damage to killing unarmed civilians, take it up with the parent. We were talking about the video of the cop randomly smashing windows. Not surprisingly, your straw man is just as bad. Nobody said or implied anything remotely close to a “shit happens” attitude. Did you just not read the next sentence or something?
- bigiain 6y ago
  You said "stupid and abusive". Not the sort of terminology usually used for "property damage". And yeah, I read (and just reread) your next sentence, and it still reads as a "shit happens" attitude to me. As I read it, you're saying there's nothing we can possibly do to ensure that rate of "stupid and abusive" cops is any lower than the rate of "stupid and rioting" civilians. (Or the most optimistic reading of it I can see is that you think we can't do any better a job of ensuring a lower rate of stupid and abusive cops than we have now.) I think we need to do a _way_ better job of screening cop applicants before giving them a badge and gun, and hold them to a way higher standard that is currently the case.
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    You completely missed the point then and are absolutely wrong about what I said. Have a nice day.
    - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
      Do you mind please responding to my most recent questions for you? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23398553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23398553 Thank you either way.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

Parent said property damage, not me. So your uncharitable assumptions about my intentions are way off on that point. If you want to reframe the issue from property damage to killing unarmed civilians, take it up with the parent. We were talking about the video of the cop randomly smashing windows. Not surprisingly, your straw man is just as bad. Nobody said or implied anything remotely close to a “shit happens” attitude. Did you just not read the next sentence or something?

bigiain 6y ago
You said "stupid and abusive". Not the sort of terminology usually used for "property damage". And yeah, I read (and just reread) your next sentence, and it still reads as a "shit happens" attitude to me. As I read it, you're saying there's nothing we can possibly do to ensure that rate of "stupid and abusive" cops is any lower than the rate of "stupid and rioting" civilians. (Or the most optimistic reading of it I can see is that you think we can't do any better a job of ensuring a lower rate of stupid and abusive cops than we have now.) I think we need to do a _way_ better job of screening cop applicants before giving them a badge and gun, and hold them to a way higher standard that is currently the case.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  You completely missed the point then and are absolutely wrong about what I said. Have a nice day.
  - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
    Do you mind please responding to my most recent questions for you? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23398553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23398553 Thank you either way.