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> The entire "checks and balances" system breaks down when a handful of Republicans in the Senate are complicit in everything that is going on. If Democrat may

> The entire "checks and balances" system breaks down when a handful of Republicans in the Senate are complicit in everything that is going on. If Democrat mayors and governors would just send in their own police to control the situation, there wouldn't be all this hand wringing.

edgefield0 6y ago
Control the situation as in suppress the protests by whatever means necessary? Violate the protestors' constitutional First Amendment rights? Please explain.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  There is a difference between protesters who are peaceful and rioters who are violent and destructive. Which do you think I mean? Edit: This mental trick of calling a person who throws a brick through a store window or sets fire to a cop car, a "protester", is so similar to the way people unbelievably attribute a "legal" status to someone who has crossed the southern border by bypassing a port of entry. Its like saying that a person who doesn't tolerate someone else's world view is anti-fascist, because a fascist is someone who tries to impose their own worldview on others.
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  - cycomanic 6y ago
    So what were your thoughts on Hong Kong?
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      The same. Edit: So, rights have to be enumerated by a country's founding documents, and then protected by that country's government. Ultimately, though, the people are responsible to establish their own freedom when no freedom exists. Black people don't have the exclusive claim of persecution by police in the US. In fact, they suffer far fewer death by cop than white people. [1] Why do they feel they are singled out? Could it be a victim-stance mentality? 1. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de...
      - cycomanic 6y ago
        That's a pretty disingenuous way to argument using absolute numbers, considering that blacks make up a considerably smaller proportion of the population. Their relative numbers are much higher than whites: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 Also if you are from the US I'm sure you are happy to go back to be ruled by the UK, considering that the US was founded on violent protest (note if you're from somewhere else I am very likely to find a similar example in your countries history), or are you saying it is ok to protest violently if you believe you are taxed to high (or not represented enough) but not if you are being shot disproportionally?
        Fjolsvith 6y ago
        The UK has a not so great track record on freedoms and rights. The Americans didn't protest violently, they used force of arms to overthrow a tyrannical government, something for which the UK still is sore about. Frame your argument using whatever numbers you like. I prefer absolute numbers, regardless of you calling me disingenuous.
chooseaname 6y ago
If police would just stop killing black people, this wouldn't be happening at all.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  The white people ain't rioting and they have far more deaths by cop in the US than black people. [1] 1. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de...
  - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
    Is that deliberately dense? Per-capita its still 5:1
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      Oh, sorry. I even forgot to figure in income and marital status.

edgefield0 6y ago

Control the situation as in suppress the protests by whatever means necessary? Violate the protestors' constitutional First Amendment rights? Please explain.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
There is a difference between protesters who are peaceful and rioters who are violent and destructive. Which do you think I mean? Edit: This mental trick of calling a person who throws a brick through a store window or sets fire to a cop car, a "protester", is so similar to the way people unbelievably attribute a "legal" status to someone who has crossed the southern border by bypassing a port of entry. Its like saying that a person who doesn't tolerate someone else's world view is anti-fascist, because a fascist is someone who tries to impose their own worldview on others.
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- cycomanic 6y ago
  So what were your thoughts on Hong Kong?
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    The same. Edit: So, rights have to be enumerated by a country's founding documents, and then protected by that country's government. Ultimately, though, the people are responsible to establish their own freedom when no freedom exists. Black people don't have the exclusive claim of persecution by police in the US. In fact, they suffer far fewer death by cop than white people. [1] Why do they feel they are singled out? Could it be a victim-stance mentality? 1. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de...
    - cycomanic 6y ago
      That's a pretty disingenuous way to argument using absolute numbers, considering that blacks make up a considerably smaller proportion of the population. Their relative numbers are much higher than whites: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 Also if you are from the US I'm sure you are happy to go back to be ruled by the UK, considering that the US was founded on violent protest (note if you're from somewhere else I am very likely to find a similar example in your countries history), or are you saying it is ok to protest violently if you believe you are taxed to high (or not represented enough) but not if you are being shot disproportionally?
      - Fjolsvith 6y ago
        The UK has a not so great track record on freedoms and rights. The Americans didn't protest violently, they used force of arms to overthrow a tyrannical government, something for which the UK still is sore about. Frame your argument using whatever numbers you like. I prefer absolute numbers, regardless of you calling me disingenuous.

chooseaname 6y ago

If police would just stop killing black people, this wouldn't be happening at all.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
The white people ain't rioting and they have far more deaths by cop in the US than black people. [1] 1. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de...
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  Is that deliberately dense? Per-capita its still 5:1
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Oh, sorry. I even forgot to figure in income and marital status.