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It's also quite bizarre to see people dying because they are black. Actually it's so bizarre that people can't help but have to break rules to send a message.

It's also quite bizarre to see people dying because they are black. Actually it's so bizarre that people can't help but have to break rules to send a message. As far as I can tell, it's not about that one 'incident' but about all the deaths that weren't recorded, and the many lives that are spent in fear.

stormdennis 6y ago
There are lots of black policemen in America, black police chiefs, black mayors And in terms of being killed, the people black people are most at risk from are other black people, by a wide margin
- toohotatopic 6y ago
  Is this also true for being killed by a black police officer? If so, please add a reference. Otherwise it's quite expected that in a segregated society, people are killed by in-group members. This would only be different if there is a huge number of lynch mobs. That said, there is another issue hidden beneath 'by a wide margin'. It's also bizarre that there is so much more crime among black people, and that blacks are over-proportionally incarcerated. The easy answer is that blacks are so much more violent. But if you look closer, don't you think that's a bit puzzling?
  - stormdennis 6y ago
    You cannot draw simple conclusions I believe but still the stats show that Black and Hispanic police are as likely or more likely to kill people of color as white officers https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shootings-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shooti... With regard to your second point, you're hinting at something, why don't you spell out your aetiology for the high levels of crime along black people along with your evidence for that causation.
    - jlokier 6y ago
      > Black and Hispanic police are as likely or more likely to kill people of color as white officers If that's true, it suggests the racism problem is more serious than we thought; that police of all colors may be endemically racist as a group; that it's not just mainly white police. That said, we don't see black-on-black murders of innocent people so much. This might be due the symbolism of white-on-black murders in broad daylight with onlookers. Or it might not. Regardless, it's all racism if innocent black folks are getting murdered more often.
      - stormdennis 6y ago
        >That said, we don't see black-on-black murders of innocent people so much. Really? The murder rate inside the black community is massively higher than within any other community in America. Also black people murder more white people than vice versa. If you take account of the different community sizes the disparity becomes even more extreme. If this is coming as news to you I don't know where you've been all your life.
        jlokier 6y ago
        Sorry, I mis-wrote that due to an editing mistake, and it's too late to edit the comment now. What I meant to write was we don't see black-on-black police murders of innocent people hitting the big news and causing mass demonstations so much.
        stormdennis 6y ago
        You're right we don't see them hitting the news and causing mass demonstrations. We also never have mass demonstrations when a black person kills a white person. And yet interestingly, far more white people are killed by black people than vice versa.
    - toohotatopic 6y ago
      Fair argument. If you are interested in a moved goalpost: If 9 out of 10 officers are black in a black neighborhood, then the majority of victims is shot by black officers. The question is: How are black people treated when they are in a non-black neighborhood. My 'aetiology', I think it comes down to less opportunities. Without discipline that comes from a stable environment, motivation can easily turn to violence and crime. This leads to difference in police behavior. I have nothing to back this up and I don't know how to 'cure' this. To bring this back to the start: All I want to say is that the protests are not that bizarre. America is the cultural center of the West, people are as informed about this incident as they are about their local news. Many don't want to live in a racist future, even more so for their children. So they risk the lives of their parents to improve the lives of their children. Was this a death caused by racism? I don't know. It appears to be. Thus the protests.

stormdennis 6y ago

There are lots of black policemen in America, black police chiefs, black mayors And in terms of being killed, the people black people are most at risk from are other black people, by a wide margin

toohotatopic 6y ago
Is this also true for being killed by a black police officer? If so, please add a reference. Otherwise it's quite expected that in a segregated society, people are killed by in-group members. This would only be different if there is a huge number of lynch mobs. That said, there is another issue hidden beneath 'by a wide margin'. It's also bizarre that there is so much more crime among black people, and that blacks are over-proportionally incarcerated. The easy answer is that blacks are so much more violent. But if you look closer, don't you think that's a bit puzzling?
- stormdennis 6y ago
  You cannot draw simple conclusions I believe but still the stats show that Black and Hispanic police are as likely or more likely to kill people of color as white officers https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shootings-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shooti... With regard to your second point, you're hinting at something, why don't you spell out your aetiology for the high levels of crime along black people along with your evidence for that causation.
  - jlokier 6y ago
    > Black and Hispanic police are as likely or more likely to kill people of color as white officers If that's true, it suggests the racism problem is more serious than we thought; that police of all colors may be endemically racist as a group; that it's not just mainly white police. That said, we don't see black-on-black murders of innocent people so much. This might be due the symbolism of white-on-black murders in broad daylight with onlookers. Or it might not. Regardless, it's all racism if innocent black folks are getting murdered more often.
    - stormdennis 6y ago
      >That said, we don't see black-on-black murders of innocent people so much. Really? The murder rate inside the black community is massively higher than within any other community in America. Also black people murder more white people than vice versa. If you take account of the different community sizes the disparity becomes even more extreme. If this is coming as news to you I don't know where you've been all your life.
      - jlokier 6y ago
        Sorry, I mis-wrote that due to an editing mistake, and it's too late to edit the comment now. What I meant to write was we don't see black-on-black police murders of innocent people hitting the big news and causing mass demonstations so much.
        stormdennis 6y ago
        You're right we don't see them hitting the news and causing mass demonstrations. We also never have mass demonstrations when a black person kills a white person. And yet interestingly, far more white people are killed by black people than vice versa.
  - toohotatopic 6y ago
    Fair argument. If you are interested in a moved goalpost: If 9 out of 10 officers are black in a black neighborhood, then the majority of victims is shot by black officers. The question is: How are black people treated when they are in a non-black neighborhood. My 'aetiology', I think it comes down to less opportunities. Without discipline that comes from a stable environment, motivation can easily turn to violence and crime. This leads to difference in police behavior. I have nothing to back this up and I don't know how to 'cure' this. To bring this back to the start: All I want to say is that the protests are not that bizarre. America is the cultural center of the West, people are as informed about this incident as they are about their local news. Many don't want to live in a racist future, even more so for their children. So they risk the lives of their parents to improve the lives of their children. Was this a death caused by racism? I don't know. It appears to be. Thus the protests.