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America is not the world !
by mav3rick 6y ago
America is not the world !
- stormdennis 6y agoRather bizarrely there are street protests about George Floyd in Europe too.
- raziel2p 6y agohow is it bizarre? people naturally want to show solidarity with the cause in the US, it's a massive deal for the whole western world.
- stormdennis 6y agoHundreds of thousands are dead in Europe from a virus and these people are breaking the rules to stop its further spread because of one incident thousands of miles away that happened to be captured on a smartphone
- stuartd 6y ago8,000 miles away, give or take, and not Europe. And you don’t know why? For shame. https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1267327498339127298?s=21 https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1267327498339127298?...
- stormdennis 6y agoI do know why. The death of one man is a tragedy, the deaths of thousands, merely a statistic. Edited to delete reaching too far
- throwaway-gf 6y agoIf it had been a totally innocent man, ok, but Mr. Floyd had prior convictions of selling cocaine, robbery and assault. Yes, it is wrong that a police "executes" a serial criminal on the street, without trial. But is it worth starting riots all over the world for this guy in particular?
- detaro 6y agoIt's not "for this guy in particular". Merely the straw the broke the camel's back.
- stuartd 6y agoDon’t know where you got ‘riots all over the world’ from, Mr Throwaway? And you seem to be saying that ‘prior convictions’ excuse this appalling act? Again - for shame.
- throwaway-gf 6y ago> And you seem to be saying that ‘prior convictions’ excuse this appalling act No, I just said that what the police did is wrong. But I don't understand why you (or rather the poster I was replying to) think that his death is a tragedy? From a 10,000 foot view it is a win for society that he is now gone. A serial criminal that was still committing crimes. "Floyd entered a woman’s home, pointed a gun at her stomach and searched the home for drugs and money, according to court records".
- thomasfedb 6y ago> one incident thousands of miles away that happened to be captured on a smartphone This seems incredibly ignorant. The "incident" was a murder, in broad daylight, by a police officer.
- toohotatopic 6y agoIt's also quite bizarre to see people dying because they are black. Actually it's so bizarre that people can't help but have to break rules to send a message. As far as I can tell, it's not about that one 'incident' but about all the deaths that weren't recorded, and the many lives that are spent in fear.
- stormdennis 6y agoThere are lots of black policemen in America, black police chiefs, black mayors And in terms of being killed, the people black people are most at risk from are other black people, by a wide margin
- toohotatopic 6y agoIs this also true for being killed by a black police officer? If so, please add a reference. Otherwise it's quite expected that in a segregated society, people are killed by in-group members. This would only be different if there is a huge number of lynch mobs. That said, there is another issue hidden beneath 'by a wide margin'. It's also bizarre that there is so much more crime among black people, and that blacks are over-proportionally incarcerated. The easy answer is that blacks are so much more violent. But if you look closer, don't you think that's a bit puzzling?
- stormdennis 6y agoYou cannot draw simple conclusions I believe but still the stats show that Black and Hispanic police are as likely or more likely to kill people of color as white officers https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shootings-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shooti... With regard to your second point, you're hinting at something, why don't you spell out your aetiology for the high levels of crime along black people along with your evidence for that causation.
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- raziel2p 6y agomany people (myself included) don't think of it as an incident, but murder - which is just another case of long-running systemic racism and police brutality in the US. Europe is doing much much better than the US in terms of dealing with the virus, so it's actually not unreasonable to say that it might be a risk worth taking.
- stormdennis 6y agoIs Europe doing much better? I don't think so. Anyway who are you to decide it's ok to risk more dying so you can protest? That policeman made a similar judgement, I don't think he expected the man to die but he was prepared to risk it.
- logicchains 6y ago>Hundreds of thousands are dead in Europe from a virus The majority of whom where very old and/or in ill-health and had a 5-10% chance of dying in the next year anyway.
- stormdennis 6y agoYou don't seem to attach much value to the lives of the elderly and those who have underlying health conditions. I presume that's because no one you care about, including yourself, is in that category. That's a pretty callous attitude. At 78 you have about a 5% chance of dying in the next year but if you've lived to 78 then your life expectancy is about 10 years. 10 years thrown away so some people can go on a march because they're angry about someone dying. You couldn't make it up.
- logicchains 6y ago>You don't seem to attach much value to the lives of the elderly and those who have underlying health conditions. I presume that's because no one you care about, including yourself, is in that category. That's a pretty callous attitude. My parents are in that category, but I attach a very high negative value to using violence (or threat of it) to control people's behaviour. From my perspective it's extremely immoral to say to a huge swarth of the population: you can't work or meet your friends for the next few months, or else we'll throw you in jail if you're caught. I.e. human rights (free movement, association) are human rights; they're not compromisable just because somebody decided it's an emergency or there's some greater good that needs to be enforced. Yes it's reasonable to argue that those at risk have a right not to be infected (e.g. to require potential carriers to stay away), but this doesn't extend to requiring people they have no proximity/interaction with to stay at home and not interact with each other. > 10 years thrown away so some people can go on a march because they're angry about someone dying. 10 years lost by one person, vs 2-3 years lost by 10 people due to the permanent negative effects on lifetime outcomes of poverty resulting from the lockdown-induced depression. Not to mention lifetime reduction in standard of living. In terms of measure that actually account for this, Quality-Adjusted Life Years, it's like the intervention is probably not a net positive: https://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/economic-cost-of-flattening-the-curve/ https://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/economic-cost-o.... >I presume that's because no one you care about, including yourself, is in that category. Also, in general, making decisions based on their emotional effect on you is a selfish and unprincipled approach to any kind of public policymaking.
- LeoPanthera 6y agoConcentrated outside US Embassies, from what I understand.
- artursapek 6y agoIt has spread to at least Paris and Amsterdam. Including the looting.
- raziel2p 6y agosource on the looting part?
- Freak_NL 6y agoNone. Its complete and utter bullshit. Any looting beyond someone pilfering a traffic cone would be all over the national news here in the Netherlands.
- artursapek 6y agoMy bad, I saw things on fire in the streets and assumed looting. You're correct that doesn't appear to be happening this time.
- dtech 6y agoDon't know about Paris, but no looting in Amsterdam...
- BrandoElFollito 6y agoNeither in Paris
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