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Why are people get so worked up over words rather than actions? Yes, Trump makes many stupid statements. What has he done however? Has he droned people like Cl

by optxa 6y ago

Why are people get so worked up over words rather than actions? Yes, Trump makes many stupid statements. What has he done however? Has he droned people like Clinton? Has he started wars? Has violence against black people increased compared to the previous presidencies? If the answers to those are "no", then please look at actions and not at words.

nicoburns 6y ago
Err, hasn't he just sent the National Guard in against protesters? He's also done everything he can to cripple the US response to the coronavirus, which has lead to tens of thousands of deaths.
- lm28469 6y ago
  It's a troll account created 10 min ago, don't bother replying, just down vote and move on.
- vl 6y ago
  Trump can’t send National Guard, state governors deploy National Guard.
  - mikeyouse 6y ago
    Since Washington DC isn't a state and doesn't have a governor, the National Guard there reports to the President - so yes, Trump did send in the National Guard. https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-president-trump-moves-military-forces-near-wartime-alert-level-washington-dc-1508130 https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-president-trump-moves-mil... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_National_Guard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_National_...
    - HenryBemis 6y ago
      From BBC [1]:George Floyd: Can President Trump deploy the military? "In short, yes under certain circumstances. .... The Insurrection Act says the approval of governors isn't required when the president determines the situation in a state makes it impossible to enforce US laws, or when citizens' rights are threatened. Another law passed in 1878 requires congressional authorisation for domestic military use, but a legal expert told the BBC that the Insurrection Act was sufficient legal authority on its own for the president to deploy the army...." With that said, let's hope that there won't be any more blood. [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52893540 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52893540
      - mikeyouse 6y ago
        Just for a clarification - the National Guard is typically under the state authority and can be deployed by governors for law enforcement without butting up against the Posse Comitatus act that is invoked with the Insurrection Act. Since DC isn't a state, but still has a national guard, it's a bit of a loophole for the President to be able to deploy national troops inside the District of Columbia like he has done over the last week. Trump calling to deploy "thousands and thousands" of "heavily armed troops" in US cities is much less obviously legal but hasn't really happened yet.
        vl 6y ago
        >hasn't really happened yet 23 states deployed national guard in response to protests.
        mikeyouse 6y ago
        Again - the national guard is state directed. The governors of states deployed the national guard in their own states which is perfectly normal. Trump directed the DC national guard to deploy in DC which is mostly normal as well. The obscene threat from trump was that he was going to deploy active duty military to states as well - which he hasn’t done and which would be unprecedented and extremely dangerous. He and Barr did take a half step by deploying other federal law enforcement in the capitol (DEA/BOP/DHS) which they likely did illegally as those organizations have no statutory authority in crowd control but the military would be an entirely new escalation and one that the joint chiefs / Esper seem to have talked him out of.
mikeyouse 6y ago
> Has he droned people like Clinton? Yes - he dramatically increased the use of drones: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/tr... And he eliminated the restrictions designed to prevent civilian casualties: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/obama-drones-trump-killings-count/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/obama-drones-trump-kill... > Has violence against black people increased compared to the previous presidencies? One of his first actions was to disband the Federal oversight of police departments set up explicitly to address this issue: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/jeff-sessions-consent-decree-review/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/jeff-sessions-c... His DOJ rescinded orders from the Obama era that prosecutors shouldn't charge low-level drug offenses that had mandatory minimums with the exact opposite tact: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/7/18073074/jeff-sessions-resigns-war-on-drugs-crime https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/7/18073074/j... He's famously said that protesters should be roughed up and he explicitly said that police should seek to hurt the people that they arrest: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/07/28/trump-tells-police-not-to-worry-about-injuring-suspects-during-arrests/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/07/2... His Attorney General said that he was okay with the KKK until he found out they smoked pot: https://www.npr.org/sections/politicaljunkie/2009/05/specter_helped_defeat_sessions.html https://www.npr.org/sections/politicaljunkie/2009/05/specter... If you don't think his actions directly lead to this, you're not paying attention.
- aabyx 6y ago
  Then that is what the media should be focusing on. It is not a matter of paying attention, whenever I hear something Trump in Europe (like now from the BBC) it is about one of his Twitter gaffes and not about the issues you mention. Why do Facebook people walk out over a tweet and not over these issues? That is what is mind-boggling.
  - mikeyouse 6y ago
    > Then that is what the media should be focusing on. All of those examples are from "the media" - what you choose to consume is up to you.. > Whenever I hear something Trump in Europe (like now from the BBC) it is about one of his Twitter gaffes It's not a twitter gaffe to threaten to extrajudicially murder protestors / looters. > Why do Facebook people walk out over a tweet and not over these issues? That is what is mind-boggling. Straws + camel's backs.. In any case, this isn't the first time their employees were fed up -- similar sentiment was raised when he called for a complete and total shutdown of muslims entering the US: https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-employees-pushed-to-remove-trump-posts-as-hate-speech-1477075392 https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-employees-pushed-to-re...

by optxa 6y ago

nicoburns 6y ago

Err, hasn't he just sent the National Guard in against protesters? He's also done everything he can to cripple the US response to the coronavirus, which has lead to tens of thousands of deaths.

lm28469 6y ago
It's a troll account created 10 min ago, don't bother replying, just down vote and move on.
vl 6y ago
Trump can’t send National Guard, state governors deploy National Guard.
- mikeyouse 6y ago
  Since Washington DC isn't a state and doesn't have a governor, the National Guard there reports to the President - so yes, Trump did send in the National Guard. https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-president-trump-moves-military-forces-near-wartime-alert-level-washington-dc-1508130 https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-president-trump-moves-mil... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_National_Guard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_National_...
  - HenryBemis 6y ago
    From BBC [1]:George Floyd: Can President Trump deploy the military? "In short, yes under certain circumstances. .... The Insurrection Act says the approval of governors isn't required when the president determines the situation in a state makes it impossible to enforce US laws, or when citizens' rights are threatened. Another law passed in 1878 requires congressional authorisation for domestic military use, but a legal expert told the BBC that the Insurrection Act was sufficient legal authority on its own for the president to deploy the army...." With that said, let's hope that there won't be any more blood. [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52893540 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52893540
    - mikeyouse 6y ago
      Just for a clarification - the National Guard is typically under the state authority and can be deployed by governors for law enforcement without butting up against the Posse Comitatus act that is invoked with the Insurrection Act. Since DC isn't a state, but still has a national guard, it's a bit of a loophole for the President to be able to deploy national troops inside the District of Columbia like he has done over the last week. Trump calling to deploy "thousands and thousands" of "heavily armed troops" in US cities is much less obviously legal but hasn't really happened yet.
      - vl 6y ago
        >hasn't really happened yet 23 states deployed national guard in response to protests.
        mikeyouse 6y ago
        Again - the national guard is state directed. The governors of states deployed the national guard in their own states which is perfectly normal. Trump directed the DC national guard to deploy in DC which is mostly normal as well. The obscene threat from trump was that he was going to deploy active duty military to states as well - which he hasn’t done and which would be unprecedented and extremely dangerous. He and Barr did take a half step by deploying other federal law enforcement in the capitol (DEA/BOP/DHS) which they likely did illegally as those organizations have no statutory authority in crowd control but the military would be an entirely new escalation and one that the joint chiefs / Esper seem to have talked him out of.

mikeyouse 6y ago

> Has he droned people like Clinton? Yes - he dramatically increased the use of drones: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/trump-war-terror-drones/567218/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/tr... And he eliminated the restrictions designed to prevent civilian casualties: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/obama-drones-trump-killings-count/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/obama-drones-trump-kill... > Has violence against black people increased compared to the previous presidencies? One of his first actions was to disband the Federal oversight of police departments set up explicitly to address this issue: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/jeff-sessions-consent-decree-review/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/jeff-sessions-c... His DOJ rescinded orders from the Obama era that prosecutors shouldn't charge low-level drug offenses that had mandatory minimums with the exact opposite tact: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/7/18073074/jeff-sessions-resigns-war-on-drugs-crime https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/7/18073074/j... He's famously said that protesters should be roughed up and he explicitly said that police should seek to hurt the people that they arrest: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/07/28/trump-tells-police-not-to-worry-about-injuring-suspects-during-arrests/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/07/2... His Attorney General said that he was okay with the KKK until he found out they smoked pot: https://www.npr.org/sections/politicaljunkie/2009/05/specter_helped_defeat_sessions.html https://www.npr.org/sections/politicaljunkie/2009/05/specter... If you don't think his actions directly lead to this, you're not paying attention.

aabyx 6y ago
Then that is what the media should be focusing on. It is not a matter of paying attention, whenever I hear something Trump in Europe (like now from the BBC) it is about one of his Twitter gaffes and not about the issues you mention. Why do Facebook people walk out over a tweet and not over these issues? That is what is mind-boggling.
- mikeyouse 6y ago
  > Then that is what the media should be focusing on. All of those examples are from "the media" - what you choose to consume is up to you.. > Whenever I hear something Trump in Europe (like now from the BBC) it is about one of his Twitter gaffes It's not a twitter gaffe to threaten to extrajudicially murder protestors / looters. > Why do Facebook people walk out over a tweet and not over these issues? That is what is mind-boggling. Straws + camel's backs.. In any case, this isn't the first time their employees were fed up -- similar sentiment was raised when he called for a complete and total shutdown of muslims entering the US: https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-employees-pushed-to-remove-trump-posts-as-hate-speech-1477075392 https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-employees-pushed-to-re...