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> You decided you were better off without me, fine, save your own store. For what it's worth, this is why people hate cops! No one said anything about all cops

> You decided you were better off without me, fine, save your own store. For what it's worth, this is why people hate cops! No one said anything about all cops being worthless, and you're saying that victims of crimes deserve it for not praising police brutality.

logfromblammo 6y ago
The expectation of the public is that police should prioritize deterrence and investigation of property crimes above assembling a massive show of force to deprive peaceful protesters of their 1st amendment rights to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition government for redress of their grievances. Cops that are busy kettling up protesters for later official intimidation and violence are not available to respond to crimes happening elsewhere. Business owners are better off with insurance, alarms, and dedicated private security that won't abandon their protective duties every time they feel like pepper-spraying a liberal in the face for no apparent reason.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  Right, but then why have the police at all?
  - logfromblammo 6y ago
    Is that a rhetorical question? There is no reason to have police that don't follow the Peelian principles.
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    You say that now, but when the school shooter is at your kids school, suddenly you’ll think that a police force is a good idea. We can’t not have police, don’t be ridiculous.
    - logfromblammo 6y ago
      Please don't descend into strawman arguments and false dilemmas. It is not a binary choice between the militaristic, public-hostile police we have now, and no police at all. As it is, the police in schools frequently do inappropriate things, such as bodyslamming 40kg girls or putting children in handcuffs for acting up in class. A school security guard, charged with protecting the students and staff, with no authority to arrest or punish anyone, would do fine.
    - staticassertion 6y ago
      I think if you throw away the existing system, you can still call what we replace it with "police" but it would be unrecognizable. We need something closer to social service workers, the vast majority of which do not require arms.
lawnchair_larry 6y ago
You literally said “this is why people hate cops” right before saying that nobody said that about “all cops”. There are other examples all over this thread. Nobody is complaining about a specific cop, they’re generalizing everything to “cops”. That’s what that is. you're saying that victims of crimes deserve it for not praising police brutality How do you expect anyone to take you seriously with such absurd fabrications? Anyone can scroll up and easily see that I did not say any such thing.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  Yes, when you said > You decided you were better off without me, fine, save your own store. That was you saying that people who don't support police don't deserve police protection.

logfromblammo 6y ago

The expectation of the public is that police should prioritize deterrence and investigation of property crimes above assembling a massive show of force to deprive peaceful protesters of their 1st amendment rights to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition government for redress of their grievances. Cops that are busy kettling up protesters for later official intimidation and violence are not available to respond to crimes happening elsewhere. Business owners are better off with insurance, alarms, and dedicated private security that won't abandon their protective duties every time they feel like pepper-spraying a liberal in the face for no apparent reason.

freeone3000 6y ago
Right, but then why have the police at all?
- logfromblammo 6y ago
  Is that a rhetorical question? There is no reason to have police that don't follow the Peelian principles.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  You say that now, but when the school shooter is at your kids school, suddenly you’ll think that a police force is a good idea. We can’t not have police, don’t be ridiculous.
  - logfromblammo 6y ago
    Please don't descend into strawman arguments and false dilemmas. It is not a binary choice between the militaristic, public-hostile police we have now, and no police at all. As it is, the police in schools frequently do inappropriate things, such as bodyslamming 40kg girls or putting children in handcuffs for acting up in class. A school security guard, charged with protecting the students and staff, with no authority to arrest or punish anyone, would do fine.
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    I think if you throw away the existing system, you can still call what we replace it with "police" but it would be unrecognizable. We need something closer to social service workers, the vast majority of which do not require arms.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

You literally said “this is why people hate cops” right before saying that nobody said that about “all cops”. There are other examples all over this thread. Nobody is complaining about a specific cop, they’re generalizing everything to “cops”. That’s what that is. you're saying that victims of crimes deserve it for not praising police brutality How do you expect anyone to take you seriously with such absurd fabrications? Anyone can scroll up and easily see that I did not say any such thing.

joshuamorton 6y ago
Yes, when you said > You decided you were better off without me, fine, save your own store. That was you saying that people who don't support police don't deserve police protection.