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I can’t respond to your earlier comment: but people aren’t saying he’s a saint; they’re making him a martyr of sorts. He died from police brutality, and instead

I can’t respond to your earlier comment: but people aren’t saying he’s a saint; they’re making him a martyr of sorts. He died from police brutality, and instead of trying to fix that (over the past few decades), the police and President have waged civil war.

DiffEq 6y ago
Civil War? More blacks are killed by blacks - far more than blacks are killed by police. That is the real civil war. When are black leaders going to address that?
- TeaDrunk 6y ago
  Black leadership has been bombed, assassinated, and jailed. Their neighborhoods are targeted for predatory financial extraction and are disproportionately exposed to environmental hazards like waste processing plants, dumps, etc. The Black Panther party had significant leadership and unification, social programs like food, educational programs, etc. They were killed. Bombed in fact. Prominent leaders were shot in their beds by the government. Black Wall Street existed, utterly peacefully in fact, and they were utterly destroyed by white riots. The black community has tried repeatedly to address things and in every turn they were beaten back down. What do you recommend?
  - bigiain 6y ago
    Maybe they could try respectfully taking a knee at football games? Surely that'd work? /s
  - r_c_a_d 6y ago
    It will take a long time, generations, to fix this. I remember the 1981 race riots in London. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brixton_riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brixton_riot There was a public inquiry afterwards that led to the creation of a Police Complaints Commission. But that was largely ineffective for at least 20 years afterwards. Ultimately I think integration and education are the only solution. My parents didn't meet a non-white person until they were in their late 20s. At my school there were a few black families. At my kids school there was a lot of diversity; and differences in race, sexuality and religion seem to be "old people's problems" to them now.
    - TeaDrunk 6y ago
      Integration has been resisted with violence- see busing.
- jascii 6y ago
  Deflections are not really a productive discussion tool. That aside, why do you think that is? Could hundreds of years of systemic economic repression have any causual effect on that? Do you have any suggestions how we as society could bring those numbers down? Lastly, how in bleeps name does that justify police violence?

DiffEq 6y ago

Civil War? More blacks are killed by blacks - far more than blacks are killed by police. That is the real civil war. When are black leaders going to address that?

TeaDrunk 6y ago
Black leadership has been bombed, assassinated, and jailed. Their neighborhoods are targeted for predatory financial extraction and are disproportionately exposed to environmental hazards like waste processing plants, dumps, etc. The Black Panther party had significant leadership and unification, social programs like food, educational programs, etc. They were killed. Bombed in fact. Prominent leaders were shot in their beds by the government. Black Wall Street existed, utterly peacefully in fact, and they were utterly destroyed by white riots. The black community has tried repeatedly to address things and in every turn they were beaten back down. What do you recommend?
- bigiain 6y ago
  Maybe they could try respectfully taking a knee at football games? Surely that'd work? /s
- r_c_a_d 6y ago
  It will take a long time, generations, to fix this. I remember the 1981 race riots in London. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brixton_riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brixton_riot There was a public inquiry afterwards that led to the creation of a Police Complaints Commission. But that was largely ineffective for at least 20 years afterwards. Ultimately I think integration and education are the only solution. My parents didn't meet a non-white person until they were in their late 20s. At my school there were a few black families. At my kids school there was a lot of diversity; and differences in race, sexuality and religion seem to be "old people's problems" to them now.
  - TeaDrunk 6y ago
    Integration has been resisted with violence- see busing.
jascii 6y ago
Deflections are not really a productive discussion tool. That aside, why do you think that is? Could hundreds of years of systemic economic repression have any causual effect on that? Do you have any suggestions how we as society could bring those numbers down? Lastly, how in bleeps name does that justify police violence?