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There is no reason why it can't be "black people being killed by cops like this MUST stop" and "the rioting and looting MUST stop." Buried in your reasoning is

There is no reason why it can't be "black people being killed by cops like this MUST stop" and "the rioting and looting MUST stop." Buried in your reasoning is the idea that the rioting and looting is helping reducing black deaths by cops. I see no reason to believe that. First, its directly putting people into violent conflict with police. So additional black people have been killed by police caused by the rioting. Second, innocent people are getting killed by the rioting. Third, there are people who would support police reform but are also terrified of looters and rioters. The riots are giving me a look at what my city looks like without police control, and it is scary. I know that police v. lawlessness is a false dichotomy and I reject that sort of thinking. There was a consensus that what happened to George Floyd was an atrocity. Even racists thought so. A huge peaceful protest would have raised awareness. Violence lost that consensus.

golemiprague 6y ago
I always thought the police in America is too violent comparing to other places but this is a race war, not a demonstration against police violence and if anything it shows me why the police is so violent there. If it was a demonstration against police violence it would have happened also when they kill white people because there are much more unjustified cases like that. I think the reason for police violence in the US are black people, they simply kill each other too much and from what I see act completely irrationally and with indiscriminate violence towards innocent people. No wonder the police is all the time on edge there and other races suffer because the police policies are created with black communities behaviour in mind, then they apply it also to peaceful people outside and inside the black community. I can't believe in all of this discussion nobody mention the way African Americans in the US behave, as if the police works in a vacuum and as if slavery that was abolished years ago is an excuse for what's going on there. I think people are too afraid to say what's on their mind because they will be called racist but deep inside that's what people think otherwise how comes half of the country voted for Trump but I don't see anybody here say what half of the country thinks?
standardUser 6y ago
Rioting and looting don't generally kill people. Cops do kill people, time and time again, and they usually get away with it. That's why it is absurd to equate the two. "There was a consensus that what happened to George Floyd was an atrocity." Who cares? Thinking something is an atrocity accomplished precisely jack shit. Peaceful protests get ignored or mocked. Police forces continue to get more militarized. Far right politicians, like the president, encourage violence from their bully pulpit. At a certain point, people need to respond. To not respond is to encourage those who seek to abuse power.
- thatoneuser 6y ago
  I've seen about 5 deaths attributed to this. Rioting and looting leads to deaths on a big enough scale, no doubt.
- yyyk 6y ago
  "Rioting and looting don't generally kill people... Peaceful protests get ignored or mocked." Can you find a large episode of rioting and looting without any death toll? Even the 2011 London riots led to the deaths of five people. The bigger issue though is that the current situation is starting to turn counterproductive. The only way to eventually fix things is with politics. Protests are politics. But violence eventually takes a life of its own. Already now there are overwhelming evidence various third party actors are interfering. Soon this turns into an order vs chaos issue, and guess in who's favour that framing would play out? The protests can no longer be ignored, now is the time to step back and to do whatever can be done to make this peaceful - before people forget why the protests started in the first place.
sangnoir 6y ago
> Violence lost that consensus. It was not by accident[1] - remember the police force was on the wrong side of that consensus. Strategically, allowing and even encouraging[2][3] violence is a winning move for the police (as long as their members are relatively safe) - both to punish the communities who have seemingly "turned against the police" and to change the narrative so that the same communities beg the police to save them from the violence. 1. Twitter thread on how the Minneapolis police is on "strike" https://twitter.com/lynnellmick/status/1266489804444721152 https://twitter.com/lynnellmick/status/1266489804444721152 2. https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1267670804696895488 https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1267670804696895488 3. https://twitter.com/realDavidOnline/status/1267313633391869953 https://twitter.com/realDavidOnline/status/12673136333918699...

golemiprague 6y ago

I always thought the police in America is too violent comparing to other places but this is a race war, not a demonstration against police violence and if anything it shows me why the police is so violent there. If it was a demonstration against police violence it would have happened also when they kill white people because there are much more unjustified cases like that. I think the reason for police violence in the US are black people, they simply kill each other too much and from what I see act completely irrationally and with indiscriminate violence towards innocent people. No wonder the police is all the time on edge there and other races suffer because the police policies are created with black communities behaviour in mind, then they apply it also to peaceful people outside and inside the black community. I can't believe in all of this discussion nobody mention the way African Americans in the US behave, as if the police works in a vacuum and as if slavery that was abolished years ago is an excuse for what's going on there. I think people are too afraid to say what's on their mind because they will be called racist but deep inside that's what people think otherwise how comes half of the country voted for Trump but I don't see anybody here say what half of the country thinks?

standardUser 6y ago

Rioting and looting don't generally kill people. Cops do kill people, time and time again, and they usually get away with it. That's why it is absurd to equate the two. "There was a consensus that what happened to George Floyd was an atrocity." Who cares? Thinking something is an atrocity accomplished precisely jack shit. Peaceful protests get ignored or mocked. Police forces continue to get more militarized. Far right politicians, like the president, encourage violence from their bully pulpit. At a certain point, people need to respond. To not respond is to encourage those who seek to abuse power.

thatoneuser 6y ago
I've seen about 5 deaths attributed to this. Rioting and looting leads to deaths on a big enough scale, no doubt.
yyyk 6y ago
"Rioting and looting don't generally kill people... Peaceful protests get ignored or mocked." Can you find a large episode of rioting and looting without any death toll? Even the 2011 London riots led to the deaths of five people. The bigger issue though is that the current situation is starting to turn counterproductive. The only way to eventually fix things is with politics. Protests are politics. But violence eventually takes a life of its own. Already now there are overwhelming evidence various third party actors are interfering. Soon this turns into an order vs chaos issue, and guess in who's favour that framing would play out? The protests can no longer be ignored, now is the time to step back and to do whatever can be done to make this peaceful - before people forget why the protests started in the first place.

sangnoir 6y ago

> Violence lost that consensus. It was not by accident[1] - remember the police force was on the wrong side of that consensus. Strategically, allowing and even encouraging[2][3] violence is a winning move for the police (as long as their members are relatively safe) - both to punish the communities who have seemingly "turned against the police" and to change the narrative so that the same communities beg the police to save them from the violence. 1. Twitter thread on how the Minneapolis police is on "strike" https://twitter.com/lynnellmick/status/1266489804444721152 https://twitter.com/lynnellmick/status/1266489804444721152 2. https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1267670804696895488 https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1267670804696895488 3. https://twitter.com/realDavidOnline/status/1267313633391869953 https://twitter.com/realDavidOnline/status/12673136333918699...