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Screw the environment. Print this email immediately. And then burn it.

16 points by gregschlom 16y ago

narag 16y ago
I don't print anything, but the other day, someone printed a mail message to show me something <shrug>. The last page was printed because of the stupid message.
- wlievens 16y ago
  Silly indeed. I also wonder how much more energy is wasted sending these extra bytes around, millions of times per hour.
dkokelley 16y ago
I could care less about the environmental impact of printing emails on paper. Using up one of our renewable resources? Go for it. What bothers me is the sheer inefficiency of a paper-based office. Why in the world do we need to print out emails, websites, or other bits of information to act on it? For archival or reference? And emergency backup? It certainly doesn't make information workflow any easier. In fact, it's a wasteful duplication of effort. Does anyone have any good modern reasons for why paper is necessary in today's office? Assume that the employees are information workers who know how to effectively use computers. P.S. I understand the creative appeal of pen(cil) and paper. I It's great for brainstorming, rough-drafting, and early prototyping. Beyond that, I can't imagine a good reason for it.
- wladimir 16y ago
  Here, paper is still used en-masse to print documents for review meetings. I agree that is pretty wasteful, especially if you have a lot of revisions of a large document, and many people are present. You print something to throw it away an hour later. I wouldn't know the cost/benefit analysis though, it might be that the paper-based solution is simply cheaper than giving everyone a laptop. And many people prefer to read on paper (though e-paper would solve this, but that'd be even more expensive).
  - dkokelley 16y ago
    The mindset needs to change. The thought process should not be "let's replace paper with laptops or e-readers or iPads so workers can use e-paper". Paper as a concept needs to die. Not replaced with technology, but literally made extinct. Paper is just a medium for information to exist. The medium doesn't need to be replaced. It should be bypassed. I think it's a habitual crutch workers have, to print information out, for it to be tangible. I agree that although horribly inefficient, paper is cheap (even with printing expenses), and thus attractive compared to buying everyone an iPad. That's unfortunate because I believe it handicaps workers by acting as an unnecessary bottleneck when it should be completely removed from the information workflow wherever possible.
    - davidw 16y ago
      As the founder and CEO of http://73primenumbers.com http://73primenumbers.com I couldn't disagree more. Here are some advantages of our time-tested Paper and Pencil application suite: http://73primenumbers.com/pencilpaper.html http://73primenumbers.com/pencilpaper.html Cheap, Reliable, Safe, extremely Portable, 0-minute Installation, compatible with anything, built in Internationalization.
      - dkokelley 16y ago
        I had to read for a while before I realized that there was no product. I kept thinking "What is this guy actually selling?" Great site :-D
    - VB6_Foreverr 16y ago
      That's not how they got rid of telegraphs. Something(s) tangibly better came along and telegraphs faded away. Paper will die when people stop using it not when someone tells them to.
    - wladimir 16y ago
      Yes it's cheap, even with printing expenses. But what if you factor in employee time over all employees? - walking to the printer, then waiting (sometimes in line) for the document to be printed - discovering that the document did not print and mysteriously disappeared in the print queue, walking back to seat, and send new print request, then go back to printer - walking to a different floor when the printer is broken or stuck (happens quite a lot with busyly-used printers) - if you find that something is wrong with the document, you can start the process over again OK, most of these are merely annoyances that don't cost a lot of time. But you wouldn't hear me complain if all paper and printers were forbidden and removed :)
iuguy 16y ago
ISO14000 is a set of environmental management standards. One of the things that you have to do to be certified is to promote environmental awareness. The easiest (and most commonly implemented) way of doing this is to put a little statement in the email footer. So there you go, it's mostly a box ticking exercise, just like the 'If you received this email in error you must delete it'.
jarin 16y ago
I've updated my email footer as an experiment to see if it will be a good way to weed out the "bad" potential clients (just like telling potential clients that I used to work at a porn company seems to do).
- dkokelley 16y ago
  That seems like a good way to catch personality conflicts early. If you have a client who doesn't get along with your personal style and way of doing things, they might become a clientzilla down the road.
- ryandvm 16y ago
  You should double up and put that you used to work at a porn company in your email footer.
msie 16y ago
Save electrons...and your time. Don't read the post.

16 points by gregschlom 16y ago

narag 16y ago

I don't print anything, but the other day, someone printed a mail message to show me something <shrug>. The last page was printed because of the stupid message.

wlievens 16y ago
Silly indeed. I also wonder how much more energy is wasted sending these extra bytes around, millions of times per hour.

dkokelley 16y ago

I could care less about the environmental impact of printing emails on paper. Using up one of our renewable resources? Go for it. What bothers me is the sheer inefficiency of a paper-based office. Why in the world do we need to print out emails, websites, or other bits of information to act on it? For archival or reference? And emergency backup? It certainly doesn't make information workflow any easier. In fact, it's a wasteful duplication of effort. Does anyone have any good modern reasons for why paper is necessary in today's office? Assume that the employees are information workers who know how to effectively use computers. P.S. I understand the creative appeal of pen(cil) and paper. I It's great for brainstorming, rough-drafting, and early prototyping. Beyond that, I can't imagine a good reason for it.

wladimir 16y ago
Here, paper is still used en-masse to print documents for review meetings. I agree that is pretty wasteful, especially if you have a lot of revisions of a large document, and many people are present. You print something to throw it away an hour later. I wouldn't know the cost/benefit analysis though, it might be that the paper-based solution is simply cheaper than giving everyone a laptop. And many people prefer to read on paper (though e-paper would solve this, but that'd be even more expensive).
- dkokelley 16y ago
  The mindset needs to change. The thought process should not be "let's replace paper with laptops or e-readers or iPads so workers can use e-paper". Paper as a concept needs to die. Not replaced with technology, but literally made extinct. Paper is just a medium for information to exist. The medium doesn't need to be replaced. It should be bypassed. I think it's a habitual crutch workers have, to print information out, for it to be tangible. I agree that although horribly inefficient, paper is cheap (even with printing expenses), and thus attractive compared to buying everyone an iPad. That's unfortunate because I believe it handicaps workers by acting as an unnecessary bottleneck when it should be completely removed from the information workflow wherever possible.
  - davidw 16y ago
    As the founder and CEO of http://73primenumbers.com http://73primenumbers.com I couldn't disagree more. Here are some advantages of our time-tested Paper and Pencil application suite: http://73primenumbers.com/pencilpaper.html http://73primenumbers.com/pencilpaper.html Cheap, Reliable, Safe, extremely Portable, 0-minute Installation, compatible with anything, built in Internationalization.
    - dkokelley 16y ago
      I had to read for a while before I realized that there was no product. I kept thinking "What is this guy actually selling?" Great site :-D
  - VB6_Foreverr 16y ago
    That's not how they got rid of telegraphs. Something(s) tangibly better came along and telegraphs faded away. Paper will die when people stop using it not when someone tells them to.
  - wladimir 16y ago
    Yes it's cheap, even with printing expenses. But what if you factor in employee time over all employees? - walking to the printer, then waiting (sometimes in line) for the document to be printed - discovering that the document did not print and mysteriously disappeared in the print queue, walking back to seat, and send new print request, then go back to printer - walking to a different floor when the printer is broken or stuck (happens quite a lot with busyly-used printers) - if you find that something is wrong with the document, you can start the process over again OK, most of these are merely annoyances that don't cost a lot of time. But you wouldn't hear me complain if all paper and printers were forbidden and removed :)

iuguy 16y ago

ISO14000 is a set of environmental management standards. One of the things that you have to do to be certified is to promote environmental awareness. The easiest (and most commonly implemented) way of doing this is to put a little statement in the email footer. So there you go, it's mostly a box ticking exercise, just like the 'If you received this email in error you must delete it'.

jarin 16y ago

I've updated my email footer as an experiment to see if it will be a good way to weed out the "bad" potential clients (just like telling potential clients that I used to work at a porn company seems to do).

dkokelley 16y ago
That seems like a good way to catch personality conflicts early. If you have a client who doesn't get along with your personal style and way of doing things, they might become a clientzilla down the road.
ryandvm 16y ago
You should double up and put that you used to work at a porn company in your email footer.

msie 16y ago

Save electrons...and your time. Don't read the post.