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Economic parity would go a long way towards solving these problems, I don't think they can happen before white racial resentment is solved. It's interesting tha

Economic parity would go a long way towards solving these problems, I don't think they can happen before white racial resentment is solved. It's interesting that so many working class whites are so willing to vote against their own economic self interest - particular where the possibility of raising the levels of working class blacks is concerned. Last Place Aversion is a very real thing it seems.

dmode 6y ago
Can you expand a little bit on the white racial resentment and what you mean by it ?
- __s 6y ago
  He's referring to white trash voting republican against their self interest https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/31/trump-white-working-class-history-216200 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/31/trump-whi... Or, with humor, from Dave Chappelle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH-wCe5oAv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH-wCe5oAv8
  - Fartag 6y ago
    news.ycombinator.com is another amazing echo chamber. Racism going one way, one-sided political views, forum sliding, dissenting posts flagged, down moderated, censored from view. One more Leftwing echo chamber to radicalize, brainwash and mislead. Training techno Marxists to destroy their own critical thinking, side always politically left, ridicule and embrace censorship of their enemies, and to bury awareness that their hungry, deathful ideology has historically killed 100 ~ 200+ million of their own people.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - metalliqaz 6y ago
      heh, something set this guy off.... I wonder what it could be?
  - free_rms 6y ago
    Maybe they just vote for the party that doesn't call them white trash?
    - __s 6y ago
      This might surprise you but I don't vote democrat
    - scarface74 6y ago
      I am definitely not White - but when Democrats say that the “white trash” only care about guns and the Bible, why wouldn’t they vote for Trump? You never win votes by insulting the people that you want to vote for you.
      - metalliqaz 6y ago
        Democrats don't say that. Unless you grant that Republicans say that "blacks are lazy and violent" because right-leaning Internet randos say it online. The presumptive Democrat candidate put out words of unity, compared to Trump's verbal shit splatter.
        scarface74 6y ago
        Do you consider Obama an "internet Rando?" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.us... Obama was caught in an uncharacteristic moment of loose language. Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
        dmode 6y ago
        Can you point to the phrase "white trash" in the statement above ? Trump, the defacto leader of Republican party, has said things that are 1000x worse
- ratww 6y ago
  The term was coined by Publius [1] in his blog. It's resentment towards black people due a belief of having *"been significantly deprived of various things because of minorities". Also, WaPo recently used one question from historical surveys by the ANES (American National Election Studies) to measure what they consider "white resentment", and there seems to be a large correlation between that and other political positions. [2] (Skip to the "Here’s how we did our research" part and the graph if you're not a fan of WaPo) - [1] https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/08/my-one-and-only.html https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/08/my-on... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/01/15/white-racial-resentment-has-been-gaining-political-power-for-decades/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/01/1...
- pcbro141 6y ago
  A non-trivial percentage of White Americans feel like African-Americans have already been made whole for the hundreds of years of wrongdoing done to them, and some even feel like Black people actually have more privilege/opportunity than White people in America and that America is now "reverse racist". Anecdotally, they tend to be poorer Whites who feel aggrieved that they haven't gotten the wealth they feel they deserve, but not always. Basically the type of people who think saying "Black Lives Matter" means you hate White people.
free_rms 6y ago
Do you think any of those people actually think to themselves "I'm going to vote against my economic self-interest because of Last Place Aversion"?
- scarface74 6y ago
  Maybe they don’t say that but how many farmers who voted for Trump because of his platform about deporting “illegals” are now complaining that they can’t find anyone to work their farms because Americans won’t work the fields at any price? And they are going to vote for him again? How many “good Christians” support him even after the recording came out about him “grabbing a woman by the p%%%%”?
  - free_rms 6y ago
    Farmers are rich, though, and they're doing fine for labor. The trade war hit them worse by tanking pork prices. For working class people, neoliberal economics have done nothing for them. Plants in town have closed and they don't see any investment in their community from their tax dollars. If neither party is going to look out for you, it's perfectly rational to sigh and pick the one that at least doesn't villainize you as some sort of oppressor. If the democrats want to win back the white union vote, they need to actually offer something besides "vote for us or you're racist". I guess there's always 2024.
jtr1 6y ago
I agree that this has to be part of the solution. There are some activists who have called for the US to go through a national truth and reconciliation proceedings to establish a common narrative.
scarface74 6y ago
Economic Parity doesn’t have anything to do with police mistreatment and racial profiling. My family lives in the most affluent part of our metro area, my son grew up in the burbs all of his life, as an experienced software engineer by definition we have higher than the median income for our area, and people still thought we were up to something when we walked through our house as it was being built while other couples freely walked in and out of unsold homes. Last year, I was outside talking to our (White) yard guy. His truck with the name of his lawn service was parked out front. He was dressed in beat up jeans, dusty, and holding the lawn mower while I had just come from work - in slacks and button down shirt. A neighbor walked over to us and asked him how long has he been living here while completely ignoring me. He looked like he was going to say something and I quietly nudged for him not to. I politely said I would see them later and walked into the house. She was embarrassed - point made. When she left, I walked back outside with a bottle of water for him and we started back talking. I told him I just walked into the house to make a point and we both laughed.

dmode 6y ago

Can you expand a little bit on the white racial resentment and what you mean by it ?

__s 6y ago
He's referring to white trash voting republican against their self interest https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/31/trump-white-working-class-history-216200 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/31/trump-whi... Or, with humor, from Dave Chappelle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH-wCe5oAv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH-wCe5oAv8
- Fartag 6y ago
  news.ycombinator.com is another amazing echo chamber. Racism going one way, one-sided political views, forum sliding, dissenting posts flagged, down moderated, censored from view. One more Leftwing echo chamber to radicalize, brainwash and mislead. Training techno Marxists to destroy their own critical thinking, side always politically left, ridicule and embrace censorship of their enemies, and to bury awareness that their hungry, deathful ideology has historically killed 100 ~ 200+ million of their own people.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - metalliqaz 6y ago
    heh, something set this guy off.... I wonder what it could be?
- free_rms 6y ago
  Maybe they just vote for the party that doesn't call them white trash?
  - __s 6y ago
    This might surprise you but I don't vote democrat
  - scarface74 6y ago
    I am definitely not White - but when Democrats say that the “white trash” only care about guns and the Bible, why wouldn’t they vote for Trump? You never win votes by insulting the people that you want to vote for you.
    - metalliqaz 6y ago
      Democrats don't say that. Unless you grant that Republicans say that "blacks are lazy and violent" because right-leaning Internet randos say it online. The presumptive Democrat candidate put out words of unity, compared to Trump's verbal shit splatter.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        Do you consider Obama an "internet Rando?" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.us... Obama was caught in an uncharacteristic moment of loose language. Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
        dmode 6y ago
        Can you point to the phrase "white trash" in the statement above ? Trump, the defacto leader of Republican party, has said things that are 1000x worse
ratww 6y ago
The term was coined by Publius [1] in his blog. It's resentment towards black people due a belief of having *"been significantly deprived of various things because of minorities". Also, WaPo recently used one question from historical surveys by the ANES (American National Election Studies) to measure what they consider "white resentment", and there seems to be a large correlation between that and other political positions. [2] (Skip to the "Here’s how we did our research" part and the graph if you're not a fan of WaPo) - [1] https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/08/my-one-and-only.html https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/08/my-on... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/01/15/white-racial-resentment-has-been-gaining-political-power-for-decades/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/01/1...
pcbro141 6y ago
A non-trivial percentage of White Americans feel like African-Americans have already been made whole for the hundreds of years of wrongdoing done to them, and some even feel like Black people actually have more privilege/opportunity than White people in America and that America is now "reverse racist". Anecdotally, they tend to be poorer Whites who feel aggrieved that they haven't gotten the wealth they feel they deserve, but not always. Basically the type of people who think saying "Black Lives Matter" means you hate White people.

free_rms 6y ago

Do you think any of those people actually think to themselves "I'm going to vote against my economic self-interest because of Last Place Aversion"?

scarface74 6y ago
Maybe they don’t say that but how many farmers who voted for Trump because of his platform about deporting “illegals” are now complaining that they can’t find anyone to work their farms because Americans won’t work the fields at any price? And they are going to vote for him again? How many “good Christians” support him even after the recording came out about him “grabbing a woman by the p%%%%”?
- free_rms 6y ago
  Farmers are rich, though, and they're doing fine for labor. The trade war hit them worse by tanking pork prices. For working class people, neoliberal economics have done nothing for them. Plants in town have closed and they don't see any investment in their community from their tax dollars. If neither party is going to look out for you, it's perfectly rational to sigh and pick the one that at least doesn't villainize you as some sort of oppressor. If the democrats want to win back the white union vote, they need to actually offer something besides "vote for us or you're racist". I guess there's always 2024.

jtr1 6y ago

I agree that this has to be part of the solution. There are some activists who have called for the US to go through a national truth and reconciliation proceedings to establish a common narrative.

scarface74 6y ago

Economic Parity doesn’t have anything to do with police mistreatment and racial profiling. My family lives in the most affluent part of our metro area, my son grew up in the burbs all of his life, as an experienced software engineer by definition we have higher than the median income for our area, and people still thought we were up to something when we walked through our house as it was being built while other couples freely walked in and out of unsold homes. Last year, I was outside talking to our (White) yard guy. His truck with the name of his lawn service was parked out front. He was dressed in beat up jeans, dusty, and holding the lawn mower while I had just come from work - in slacks and button down shirt. A neighbor walked over to us and asked him how long has he been living here while completely ignoring me. He looked like he was going to say something and I quietly nudged for him not to. I politely said I would see them later and walked into the house. She was embarrassed - point made. When she left, I walked back outside with a bottle of water for him and we started back talking. I told him I just walked into the house to make a point and we both laughed.