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Being a cop is actually a very safe job. I'd bet that your chance of being shot as a cashier at subway is higher than as a cop.

by tsss 6y ago

jeffbee 6y ago
Here's a list of occupations that are more dangerous than police officer. https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/the_deadliest_jobs_in_america_fatal_injuries_per_100000_workers_chartbuilder.png https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/the_deadliest_...
- bananabreakfast 6y ago
  This is an excellent example of lying with statistics. Of course police deaths are low across all police everywhere. The aggregate death statistics are meaningless. Pull up a stat comparing deaths of cops only in downtown Chicago or Detroit or how about Minneapolis and then it will be more meaningful
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    Perhaps it is you who need to look up the statistics of those cities. Only two police officers have been killed in Minneapolis in the last 20 years, out of more than 600 homicides in that city.
  - TomSwirly 6y ago
    The reason you don't pull up those statistics is that they in fact completely contradict your claims. You might ask yourself why you feel the need to make things up?
tharne 6y ago
That really depends on where you're a cop. Most towns in the U.S. are very safe, so yes, in aggregate being a cop in the U.S. is very safe. But no one experiences the aggregate, and there are some incredibly dangerous places in the U.S. that you don't see anything similar to in other developed countries. Sure, being a cop in Scarsdale, NY is a pretty safe bet. Being a beat cop in Camden, NJ, not so much.
- jeffbee 6y ago
  Really? The site that tracks police killed in the line of duty lists 1975 as the last time a Camden police officer died. Another surprising fact is the last two NYPD officers to be killed on duty, the total of all NYPD officers killed on duty in the last three years, were both shot by other NYPD officers.
  - tharne 6y ago
    Just because you don't die, doesn't mean your job is safe. Most of the time, getting shot, stabbed, punched in the face, or hit by a car is not lethal. That doesn't make it ok or mean that you're safe. I'm pretty sure that if every time you went into the office, there was a good chance that someone would try to strike you, you'd quickly conclude that your workplace wasn't very safe. It reminds of me of all the people still referring to Covid as a "bad cold" or "not a big deal" because the fatality rate is only 0.5%, completely ignoring any and all concern around morbidity, as if being stuck on ventilator or having permanent lung damage was just fine because it wasn't fatal.
    - tinus_hn 6y ago
      The No True Scotsman of police getting shot. If you don’t provide statistics of these supposedly common incidents you have no argument, just some vague hand waving that it ‘doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen’.
bananabreakfast 6y ago
This is super disingenuous and very unfair to cops. Cashiers do not have to approach dangerous people who do not want to be approached. If they get held up they give the cash and they're good. In cities cops are often targeted to be killed since it could be the difference between life in jail and going free.
- ta17711771 6y ago
  I have no strong position in this argument, but, robberies and other armed crimes are regularly paired with a murder in order to get rid of the witness.
- beart 6y ago
  I don't see that your argument is any more fair than the one you are replying to. Store clerks are also targeted because they are often alone and in poorly secure places. They have no choice weather or not to approach dangerous people because those people are approaching them. They have little or no training for handling these situations. They have no back up. They likely receive no pension or disability when injured. If they do something unwise in a dangerous situation, they will almost certainly be fired with no union to protect them.

Being a cop is actually a very safe job. I'd bet that your chance of being shot as a cashier at subway is higher than as a cop.

by tsss 6y ago

Being a cop is actually a very safe job. I'd bet that your chance of being shot as a cashier at subway is higher than as a cop.

jeffbee 6y ago

Here's a list of occupations that are more dangerous than police officer. https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/the_deadliest_jobs_in_america_fatal_injuries_per_100000_workers_chartbuilder.png https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/the_deadliest_...

bananabreakfast 6y ago
This is an excellent example of lying with statistics. Of course police deaths are low across all police everywhere. The aggregate death statistics are meaningless. Pull up a stat comparing deaths of cops only in downtown Chicago or Detroit or how about Minneapolis and then it will be more meaningful
- jeffbee 6y ago
  Perhaps it is you who need to look up the statistics of those cities. Only two police officers have been killed in Minneapolis in the last 20 years, out of more than 600 homicides in that city.
- TomSwirly 6y ago
  The reason you don't pull up those statistics is that they in fact completely contradict your claims. You might ask yourself why you feel the need to make things up?

tharne 6y ago

That really depends on where you're a cop. Most towns in the U.S. are very safe, so yes, in aggregate being a cop in the U.S. is very safe. But no one experiences the aggregate, and there are some incredibly dangerous places in the U.S. that you don't see anything similar to in other developed countries. Sure, being a cop in Scarsdale, NY is a pretty safe bet. Being a beat cop in Camden, NJ, not so much.

jeffbee 6y ago
Really? The site that tracks police killed in the line of duty lists 1975 as the last time a Camden police officer died. Another surprising fact is the last two NYPD officers to be killed on duty, the total of all NYPD officers killed on duty in the last three years, were both shot by other NYPD officers.
- tharne 6y ago
  Just because you don't die, doesn't mean your job is safe. Most of the time, getting shot, stabbed, punched in the face, or hit by a car is not lethal. That doesn't make it ok or mean that you're safe. I'm pretty sure that if every time you went into the office, there was a good chance that someone would try to strike you, you'd quickly conclude that your workplace wasn't very safe. It reminds of me of all the people still referring to Covid as a "bad cold" or "not a big deal" because the fatality rate is only 0.5%, completely ignoring any and all concern around morbidity, as if being stuck on ventilator or having permanent lung damage was just fine because it wasn't fatal.
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    The No True Scotsman of police getting shot. If you don’t provide statistics of these supposedly common incidents you have no argument, just some vague hand waving that it ‘doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen’.

bananabreakfast 6y ago

This is super disingenuous and very unfair to cops. Cashiers do not have to approach dangerous people who do not want to be approached. If they get held up they give the cash and they're good. In cities cops are often targeted to be killed since it could be the difference between life in jail and going free.

ta17711771 6y ago
I have no strong position in this argument, but, robberies and other armed crimes are regularly paired with a murder in order to get rid of the witness.
beart 6y ago
I don't see that your argument is any more fair than the one you are replying to. Store clerks are also targeted because they are often alone and in poorly secure places. They have no choice weather or not to approach dangerous people because those people are approaching them. They have little or no training for handling these situations. They have no back up. They likely receive no pension or disability when injured. If they do something unwise in a dangerous situation, they will almost certainly be fired with no union to protect them.