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They are reacting to this message[1], which includes the phrase "when the looting starts, the shooting starts." It's a phrase that has been used as a pretext fo

They are reacting to this message[1], which includes the phrase "when the looting starts, the shooting starts." It's a phrase that has been used as a pretext for violence against protests[2]. As mentioned in [2], Twitter reacted to the message on their platform. Facebook has the same policy against using their platform to incite or glorify violence[3], but have chosen not to enforce it (or disagree that it is an incitement to violence). [1] https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10164767134275725 https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10164767134275725 [2] https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/864818368/the-history-behind-when-the-looting-starts-the-shooting-starts https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/864818368/the-history-behind-... [3] https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards/credible_violence https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards/credible_violenc...

Aunche 6y ago
Trying to stop the President from inciting violence isn't the responsibility of Facebook. People have a right to know what the President is saying and his hostile intentions. If the President says a bunch of racist and violent things in the State of the Union address, would you also blame ABC for airing it?
- aeturnum 6y ago
  >Trying to stop the President from inciting violence isn't the responsibility of Facebook. I didn't say it was, nor is that my read of the issue at hand. Facebook choosing not to host a message does not stop the message from being said. It would just be said elsewhere. >People have a right to know what the President is saying and his hostile intentions. I am not under the impression that Facebook is the exclusive source of information for presentenial statements. I understand they are also frequently run in other media. > If the President says a bunch of racist and violent things in the State of the Union address, would you also blame ABC for airing it? I haven't said anything about blaming anyone. Someone asked what message was controversial and I linked the message along with an explanation of the controversy. If you think I'm taking a position I'd appreciate you speaking directly instead of imputing intent. I also don't really understand your question. I would "blame" ABC in that I would expect them to account for how they chose to cover it (whatever that form took).
- xtracto 6y ago
  So, if one of those TV shows that ask people in the street about things (say, the old Candid Camera) come to me, and ask me something, and I start saying crap, fuck everyone, I'm going to kill whoever don't agree with me. Do they have to put it in their program? Are they doing "censorship" when they cut out that part for their program? does the fact that "people have the right to know" what I am saying means that the TV program MUST keep my rant? Of course not, that program (as twitter and facebook) is a private platform. They are free to put whatever they want. Their algorithms already heavily edit the conversation (like, I have 400 friends on facebook, and I usually only see from 10 of them at most when I load the page). If someone working at Fox News suddenly does not agree with the content policies of the company, they will quit.
  - Aunche 6y ago
    It's not about censorship. It's about allowing people to see the news. It's the same difference between a typical r/watchpeopledie video and the video of George Floyd. A regular person making a racist rant is just a racist rant. The president making a racist rant is the news.
yumjam20 6y ago
"when the looting starts, the shooting starts." - When I read this phrase I honestly thought that it means the looters start shooting as the next step to looting, not the other way around where the looters will be shot.
born_a_skeptic 6y ago
I just don't get it. Are some people just incapable of doing basic research or reading an entire article? Trump sought to clarify his comments Friday afternoon again on Twitter: "Looting leads to shooting, and that's why a man was shot and killed in Minneapolis on Wednesday night - or look at what just happened in Louisville with 7 people shot. I don't want this to happen, and that's what the expression put out last night means. It was spoken as a fact, not as a statement. It's very simple, nobody should have any problem with this other than the haters, and those looking to cause trouble on social media. Honor the memory of George Floyd!" But, I will say this guy saw an opportunity and took it! Great self-promoter!

Aunche 6y ago

Trying to stop the President from inciting violence isn't the responsibility of Facebook. People have a right to know what the President is saying and his hostile intentions. If the President says a bunch of racist and violent things in the State of the Union address, would you also blame ABC for airing it?

aeturnum 6y ago
>Trying to stop the President from inciting violence isn't the responsibility of Facebook. I didn't say it was, nor is that my read of the issue at hand. Facebook choosing not to host a message does not stop the message from being said. It would just be said elsewhere. >People have a right to know what the President is saying and his hostile intentions. I am not under the impression that Facebook is the exclusive source of information for presentenial statements. I understand they are also frequently run in other media. > If the President says a bunch of racist and violent things in the State of the Union address, would you also blame ABC for airing it? I haven't said anything about blaming anyone. Someone asked what message was controversial and I linked the message along with an explanation of the controversy. If you think I'm taking a position I'd appreciate you speaking directly instead of imputing intent. I also don't really understand your question. I would "blame" ABC in that I would expect them to account for how they chose to cover it (whatever that form took).
xtracto 6y ago
So, if one of those TV shows that ask people in the street about things (say, the old Candid Camera) come to me, and ask me something, and I start saying crap, fuck everyone, I'm going to kill whoever don't agree with me. Do they have to put it in their program? Are they doing "censorship" when they cut out that part for their program? does the fact that "people have the right to know" what I am saying means that the TV program MUST keep my rant? Of course not, that program (as twitter and facebook) is a private platform. They are free to put whatever they want. Their algorithms already heavily edit the conversation (like, I have 400 friends on facebook, and I usually only see from 10 of them at most when I load the page). If someone working at Fox News suddenly does not agree with the content policies of the company, they will quit.
- Aunche 6y ago
  It's not about censorship. It's about allowing people to see the news. It's the same difference between a typical r/watchpeopledie video and the video of George Floyd. A regular person making a racist rant is just a racist rant. The president making a racist rant is the news.

yumjam20 6y ago

"when the looting starts, the shooting starts." - When I read this phrase I honestly thought that it means the looters start shooting as the next step to looting, not the other way around where the looters will be shot.

born_a_skeptic 6y ago

I just don't get it. Are some people just incapable of doing basic research or reading an entire article? Trump sought to clarify his comments Friday afternoon again on Twitter: "Looting leads to shooting, and that's why a man was shot and killed in Minneapolis on Wednesday night - or look at what just happened in Louisville with 7 people shot. I don't want this to happen, and that's what the expression put out last night means. It was spoken as a fact, not as a statement. It's very simple, nobody should have any problem with this other than the haters, and those looking to cause trouble on social media. Honor the memory of George Floyd!" But, I will say this guy saw an opportunity and took it! Great self-promoter!