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The lenders for white neighborhoods formed explicit covenants to keep blacks out. White people chose to live in those neighborhoods and voted for lawmakers who

The lenders for white neighborhoods formed explicit covenants to keep blacks out. White people chose to live in those neighborhoods and voted for lawmakers who supported redlining and other segregationist measures. They didn’t speak up for their black neighbors with less opportunity. For decades they have been silent and complicit as they live in their white neighborhoods and build generational wealth that has been denied to blacks. They may not have explicitly shunned blacks from their neighborhoods, but they certainly turned a blind eye.

nogenerix 6y ago
Sounds racist to say that black communities need access to white communities in order to create positive outcomes. Why can't the black communities stand on their own?
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  Because they tried that and white assholes burned "Black Wall Street" to the ground. Then (whites in power) promptly began changing building codes to prevent them from rebuilding on the theory that it burnt to the ground not because crazy racist assholes torched it but because it was a slum not built to adequate standards.
  - ithinkinstereo 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre There were no convictions for any of the charges related to violence. There were decades of silence about the terror, violence, and losses of this event. The riot was largely omitted from local, state, and national histories: "The Tulsa race riot of 1921 was rarely mentioned in history books, classrooms or even in private. Blacks and whites alike grew into middle age unaware of what had taken place." It was not recognized in the Tulsa Tribune feature of "Fifteen Years Ago Today" or "Twenty-five Years Ago Today". A 2017 report detailing the history of the Tulsa Fire Department from 1897 until the date of publication makes no mention of the 1921 fire.
  - f1refly 6y ago
    Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory to me
    - DoreenMichele 6y ago
      Google "Black Wall street massacre." There are plenty of articles. We probably don't hear more about it because it makes white people uncomfortable.
      - f1refly 6y ago
        Sorry for not knowing about local history from 100 years ago from a far away nation. The main reason we don't hear about this more is probably because neither offenders nor victims, both black and white, are alive anymore.
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        DoreenMichele 6y ago
        If you are unfamiliar with the history of my country, then don't speak up to dismiss my description of it as "sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory," especially without so much as googling the phrase "black wall street" which isn't at all hard to find. We don't hear about it because whites in America aren't comfortable hearing about it. Another comment in this discussion indicates it was actively covered up and expunged from local history records.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        No, it wasn't mentioned much in media for most of the 100 intervening years because it makes White people uncomfortable. (Well, and perhaps because it makes the kind of White people that almost no one in the public eye wants to acknowledge though some want to quietly court too comfortable.) Though it did play a central role in the HBO Watchmen series' single season. (To be fair, it does sound like a crazy conspiracy theory. When it comes to race, though, lots of things that sound like crazy conspiracy theories are true in the US, which perhaps shouldn't be all that surprising when you realize things like, for example, that the KKK, which is something of an overt crazy racist conspiracy, was a major factor in US politics well into the 20th Century.)
- in_cahoots 6y ago
  I’m not going to spell it out for you because I don’t think you are interested in learning. If you really want to know the answer to this question, then go to a school in a poor black community. Visit their libraries, hospitals, and grocery stores. Then do the same for nearby white communities. Go do the work and educate yourself. Separate but equal is not equal.
  - nogenerix 6y ago
    What is it that makes the black schools suck? What if there was a separate Japanese school, would it suck compared to white schools?
    - in_cahoots 6y ago
      From your comments it’s clear that you’re a garden-variety racist. You’re not worth my time.
    - kennywinker 6y ago
      Lack of money
- lancesells 6y ago
  Look up articles on what happened to downtown Brooklyn and Barclays center. Black communities getting destroyed to "improve" the area. So something like Fulton Street mall goes from being a black community to just another strip mall of cheap/luxury chain stores and luxury apartments that few who lived there previously can afford. So you can't really have a positive outcome in your community if developers and the city government decide it's time to displace you in the name of progress. How do you stand on your own in this situation? https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/nyregion/a-worry-that-trendy-stores-will-ruin-fulton-street.html https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/nyregion/a-worry-that-tre... http://www.bkmag.com/2017/04/05/fulton-street-now-most-expensive-place-business-brooklyn/ http://www.bkmag.com/2017/04/05/fulton-street-now-most-expen... http://www.bkmag.com/2017/04/05/fulton-street-now-most-expensive-place-business-brooklyn/ http://www.bkmag.com/2017/04/05/fulton-street-now-most-expen...
- kennywinker 6y ago
  It would be racist to say that, if you were describing two communities starting at an equal historical footing, with equal starting resources, and one community didn't have it's knee on the other community's neck
- sharkjacobs 6y ago
  Communities have more positive outcomes when they have access to resources which are disproportionately more available to white communities
- 8bitsrule 6y ago
  Go back to the 50s and 60s and take a look at where and how the cities carved out spaces for the Interstate Freeways. A century early, the space for NYC's Central Park was 'acquired' by forcing out 1600 residents of Seneca Village. At about the same time Indians were being forced onto reservations. Why couldn't the Indian communities stand on their own?

nogenerix 6y ago

Sounds racist to say that black communities need access to white communities in order to create positive outcomes. Why can't the black communities stand on their own?

DoreenMichele 6y ago
Because they tried that and white assholes burned "Black Wall Street" to the ground. Then (whites in power) promptly began changing building codes to prevent them from rebuilding on the theory that it burnt to the ground not because crazy racist assholes torched it but because it was a slum not built to adequate standards.
- ithinkinstereo 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre There were no convictions for any of the charges related to violence. There were decades of silence about the terror, violence, and losses of this event. The riot was largely omitted from local, state, and national histories: "The Tulsa race riot of 1921 was rarely mentioned in history books, classrooms or even in private. Blacks and whites alike grew into middle age unaware of what had taken place." It was not recognized in the Tulsa Tribune feature of "Fifteen Years Ago Today" or "Twenty-five Years Ago Today". A 2017 report detailing the history of the Tulsa Fire Department from 1897 until the date of publication makes no mention of the 1921 fire.
- f1refly 6y ago
  Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory to me
  - DoreenMichele 6y ago
    Google "Black Wall street massacre." There are plenty of articles. We probably don't hear more about it because it makes white people uncomfortable.
    - f1refly 6y ago
      Sorry for not knowing about local history from 100 years ago from a far away nation. The main reason we don't hear about this more is probably because neither offenders nor victims, both black and white, are alive anymore.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - DoreenMichele 6y ago
        If you are unfamiliar with the history of my country, then don't speak up to dismiss my description of it as "sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory," especially without so much as googling the phrase "black wall street" which isn't at all hard to find. We don't hear about it because whites in America aren't comfortable hearing about it. Another comment in this discussion indicates it was actively covered up and expunged from local history records.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        No, it wasn't mentioned much in media for most of the 100 intervening years because it makes White people uncomfortable. (Well, and perhaps because it makes the kind of White people that almost no one in the public eye wants to acknowledge though some want to quietly court too comfortable.) Though it did play a central role in the HBO Watchmen series' single season. (To be fair, it does sound like a crazy conspiracy theory. When it comes to race, though, lots of things that sound like crazy conspiracy theories are true in the US, which perhaps shouldn't be all that surprising when you realize things like, for example, that the KKK, which is something of an overt crazy racist conspiracy, was a major factor in US politics well into the 20th Century.)
in_cahoots 6y ago
I’m not going to spell it out for you because I don’t think you are interested in learning. If you really want to know the answer to this question, then go to a school in a poor black community. Visit their libraries, hospitals, and grocery stores. Then do the same for nearby white communities. Go do the work and educate yourself. Separate but equal is not equal.
- nogenerix 6y ago
  What is it that makes the black schools suck? What if there was a separate Japanese school, would it suck compared to white schools?
  - in_cahoots 6y ago
    From your comments it’s clear that you’re a garden-variety racist. You’re not worth my time.
  - kennywinker 6y ago
    Lack of money
lancesells 6y ago
Look up articles on what happened to downtown Brooklyn and Barclays center. Black communities getting destroyed to "improve" the area. So something like Fulton Street mall goes from being a black community to just another strip mall of cheap/luxury chain stores and luxury apartments that few who lived there previously can afford. So you can't really have a positive outcome in your community if developers and the city government decide it's time to displace you in the name of progress. How do you stand on your own in this situation? https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/nyregion/a-worry-that-trendy-stores-will-ruin-fulton-street.html https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/nyregion/a-worry-that-tre... http://www.bkmag.com/2017/04/05/fulton-street-now-most-expensive-place-business-brooklyn/ http://www.bkmag.com/2017/04/05/fulton-street-now-most-expen... http://www.bkmag.com/2017/04/05/fulton-street-now-most-expensive-place-business-brooklyn/ http://www.bkmag.com/2017/04/05/fulton-street-now-most-expen...
kennywinker 6y ago
It would be racist to say that, if you were describing two communities starting at an equal historical footing, with equal starting resources, and one community didn't have it's knee on the other community's neck
sharkjacobs 6y ago
Communities have more positive outcomes when they have access to resources which are disproportionately more available to white communities
8bitsrule 6y ago
Go back to the 50s and 60s and take a look at where and how the cities carved out spaces for the Interstate Freeways. A century early, the space for NYC's Central Park was 'acquired' by forcing out 1600 residents of Seneca Village. At about the same time Indians were being forced onto reservations. Why couldn't the Indian communities stand on their own?