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It's actually worse than that. Even in the killing of Floyd the Police claimed he resisted arrest, which was a lie[0], the coroner said it wasn't asphyxia that

It's actually worse than that. Even in the killing of Floyd the Police claimed he resisted arrest, which was a lie[0], the coroner said it wasn't asphyxia that killed him (despite all the videos) and a private autopsy found that's not true[1]. They did all this amidst a huge public outcry, what do you think happens to some poor schmuck when no camera is around. Like this[2] and this[3]......... EDIT: Here is one where the cop force the poor guy to grab his baton and leave his fingerprints so he can accuse him of whatever he wants[4]. EDIT2: What do you know "his death [Floyd's] is on their hands [protesters and looters] as much as it is those officers"[5] [0]: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/video-george-floyd-contradict-resist-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/video-george-floyd-contrad... [1]: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/george-floyd-autopsy/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/george-floyd-au... [2]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2018/07/27/mississippi-cops-went-to-the-wrong-house-and-killed-an-innocent-man-a-grand-jury-just-refused-to-indict-them/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2018/07/27/... [3]: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-woman-shot-killed-after-kentucky-police-entered-her-home-n1205651 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-woman-shot-killed... [4]: https://v.redd.it/yo3bpzzt9h251 https://v.redd.it/yo3bpzzt9h251 [5]: https://youtu.be/tIBoxt9maJs?t=64 https://youtu.be/tIBoxt9maJs?t=64

chooseaname 6y ago
FFWD a couple months and Trump will be praising the police while fixating on the original coroner report.
js2 6y ago
This officer claimed he feared for his life. No charges were brought. The dashcam video is supposed to be exculpatory, but that's not how I see it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/04/zachary-hammond-police-south-carolina https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/04/zachary-hamm...
DiffEq 6y ago
How is it that this man, Floyd, has been turned into a saint? He was intoxicated and behind the wheel of a car! Had he not been stopped, and killed an innocent child, it might be on the 5 o'clock news but probably not; none of you would care and would still be insisting that everyone be forced to stay quarantined for Covid-19 reasons. Sure, clearly the cops handled this wrong, but what got Floyd there in the 1st place? High on drugs or alcohol, passing counterfeit money, and driving while under the influence - hardly the kind of model citizen/saint we want on the streets. All of you are hypocrites...lambasting people at the beach enjoying the sun and praising people out on the street vandalizing and looting....
- untog 6y ago
  > Sure, clearly the cops handled this wrong, but what got Floyd there in the 1st place? What? Seriously, what? Are you suggesting that the police should be free to pick and choose who they kill based on whether they are a "model citizen/saint" or not? "Do not kill a person unnecessarily" should be a universal rule the police work to. It doesn't matter one bit who they are interacting with.
  - DiffEq 6y ago
    Do you have a reading comprehension disability? I am pretty sure I did not say they should have killed him.
    - colejohnson66 6y ago
      I can’t respond to your earlier comment: but people aren’t saying he’s a saint; they’re making him a martyr of sorts. He died from police brutality, and instead of trying to fix that (over the past few decades), the police and President have waged civil war.
      - DiffEq 6y ago
        Civil War? More blacks are killed by blacks - far more than blacks are killed by police. That is the real civil war. When are black leaders going to address that?
        TeaDrunk 6y ago
        Black leadership has been bombed, assassinated, and jailed. Their neighborhoods are targeted for predatory financial extraction and are disproportionately exposed to environmental hazards like waste processing plants, dumps, etc. The Black Panther party had significant leadership and unification, social programs like food, educational programs, etc. They were killed. Bombed in fact. Prominent leaders were shot in their beds by the government. Black Wall Street existed, utterly peacefully in fact, and they were utterly destroyed by white riots. The black community has tried repeatedly to address things and in every turn they were beaten back down. What do you recommend?
jariel 6y ago
First, this evidence there was 'no resistance' is not evidence at all, in fact, the claim by CNN is 'the lie'. There are many minutes of the interaction we don't have insight into, in particular the moments leading up to the 'kneeling'. That doesn't mean the police are not lying, but it definitely means the 'proof' offered by CNN is not 'proof'. Also, city coroner made one claim, the coroner hired by the family made a different one, the claim that somehow the coroner hired by the family is 'correct' is just flat out inappropriate. Personally, I'm slightly more inclined to believe the city coroner, and that there were probably some complications. When the victim initially came out of his vehicle, it seems he fell to the ground in a manner that didn't seem to be due to a struggle, which would indicate something was wrong, physically, already at that time, obviously exacerbated by the police brutality.
- ABeeSea 6y ago
  The county coroner changed their report and labeled the death a homicide after the outcry that the original report was a cover-up. They no longer have any credibility. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867219130/george-floyd-independent-autopsy-homicide-by-asphyxia https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867219130/george-floyd-indepe... > In charging documents released last week, prosecutors said that preliminary results from an autopsy "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation." >However the new report from the medical examiner did not include such language.
  - jariel 6y ago
    If this is true, it's all very terrible, it makes me dubious of the entire situation and I would hope that there would be an external (Federal? Non-Barr appointed?) investigation.
yyyk 6y ago
"the coroner said it wasn't asphyxia that killed him (despite all the videos) and a private autopsy found that's not true[1]." The county coroner's report was technically true in a way meant to imply a false result. Floyd didn't die from lack of airflow, he died because the knee stopped blood flow to the brain, that is the brain couldn't receive Oxygen despite the body being able to breath. The county coroner carefully checked that Floyd could breathe, but not blood flow to the brain. Once asphyxia was ruled out (not really, since strangulation is not the only way to get it), the coroner was free to imply whatever was comfortable to the police. I wonder how many other autopsies done by the same coroner were also misleading, and whether other cases will need a retrial.
- deelowe 6y ago
  Was this the coroner or medical examiner? I didn't think the coroner did a report. The medical examiner released their full report shortly after the preliminary one and did state the death was ultimately due to asphyxiation. I read that the initial medical examiner's report didn't go this far b/c they had not completed their review and they needed to get a report out quickly so that the officers could be charged.
  - yyyk 6y ago
    IIRC we're talking about the initial report. Later on, they backtracked, but their original report was patently flawed. Given the direction and obviousness of the flaws, one must question whether the flaws were only due to haste.
- lovehashbrowns 6y ago
  You are correct. I found this great analysis of the official report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egRf84EqaJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egRf84EqaJI The autopsy was purposely vague so as to give as much leeway as possible to the police.
stronglikedan 6y ago
In the video I watched (the one with multiple viewpoints from security cams, dash cams, etc.), Floyd did resist when they attempted to take him out of his car, and then again when they tried to put him in their car the first time. Of course, none of that should have resulted in a death sentence.

chooseaname 6y ago

FFWD a couple months and Trump will be praising the police while fixating on the original coroner report.

js2 6y ago

This officer claimed he feared for his life. No charges were brought. The dashcam video is supposed to be exculpatory, but that's not how I see it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/04/zachary-hammond-police-south-carolina https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/04/zachary-hamm...

DiffEq 6y ago

How is it that this man, Floyd, has been turned into a saint? He was intoxicated and behind the wheel of a car! Had he not been stopped, and killed an innocent child, it might be on the 5 o'clock news but probably not; none of you would care and would still be insisting that everyone be forced to stay quarantined for Covid-19 reasons. Sure, clearly the cops handled this wrong, but what got Floyd there in the 1st place? High on drugs or alcohol, passing counterfeit money, and driving while under the influence - hardly the kind of model citizen/saint we want on the streets. All of you are hypocrites...lambasting people at the beach enjoying the sun and praising people out on the street vandalizing and looting....

untog 6y ago
> Sure, clearly the cops handled this wrong, but what got Floyd there in the 1st place? What? Seriously, what? Are you suggesting that the police should be free to pick and choose who they kill based on whether they are a "model citizen/saint" or not? "Do not kill a person unnecessarily" should be a universal rule the police work to. It doesn't matter one bit who they are interacting with.
- DiffEq 6y ago
  Do you have a reading comprehension disability? I am pretty sure I did not say they should have killed him.
  - colejohnson66 6y ago
    I can’t respond to your earlier comment: but people aren’t saying he’s a saint; they’re making him a martyr of sorts. He died from police brutality, and instead of trying to fix that (over the past few decades), the police and President have waged civil war.
    - DiffEq 6y ago
      Civil War? More blacks are killed by blacks - far more than blacks are killed by police. That is the real civil war. When are black leaders going to address that?
      - TeaDrunk 6y ago
        Black leadership has been bombed, assassinated, and jailed. Their neighborhoods are targeted for predatory financial extraction and are disproportionately exposed to environmental hazards like waste processing plants, dumps, etc. The Black Panther party had significant leadership and unification, social programs like food, educational programs, etc. They were killed. Bombed in fact. Prominent leaders were shot in their beds by the government. Black Wall Street existed, utterly peacefully in fact, and they were utterly destroyed by white riots. The black community has tried repeatedly to address things and in every turn they were beaten back down. What do you recommend?

jariel 6y ago

First, this evidence there was 'no resistance' is not evidence at all, in fact, the claim by CNN is 'the lie'. There are many minutes of the interaction we don't have insight into, in particular the moments leading up to the 'kneeling'. That doesn't mean the police are not lying, but it definitely means the 'proof' offered by CNN is not 'proof'. Also, city coroner made one claim, the coroner hired by the family made a different one, the claim that somehow the coroner hired by the family is 'correct' is just flat out inappropriate. Personally, I'm slightly more inclined to believe the city coroner, and that there were probably some complications. When the victim initially came out of his vehicle, it seems he fell to the ground in a manner that didn't seem to be due to a struggle, which would indicate something was wrong, physically, already at that time, obviously exacerbated by the police brutality.

ABeeSea 6y ago
The county coroner changed their report and labeled the death a homicide after the outcry that the original report was a cover-up. They no longer have any credibility. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867219130/george-floyd-independent-autopsy-homicide-by-asphyxia https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867219130/george-floyd-indepe... > In charging documents released last week, prosecutors said that preliminary results from an autopsy "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation." >However the new report from the medical examiner did not include such language.
- jariel 6y ago
  If this is true, it's all very terrible, it makes me dubious of the entire situation and I would hope that there would be an external (Federal? Non-Barr appointed?) investigation.

yyyk 6y ago

"the coroner said it wasn't asphyxia that killed him (despite all the videos) and a private autopsy found that's not true[1]." The county coroner's report was technically true in a way meant to imply a false result. Floyd didn't die from lack of airflow, he died because the knee stopped blood flow to the brain, that is the brain couldn't receive Oxygen despite the body being able to breath. The county coroner carefully checked that Floyd could breathe, but not blood flow to the brain. Once asphyxia was ruled out (not really, since strangulation is not the only way to get it), the coroner was free to imply whatever was comfortable to the police. I wonder how many other autopsies done by the same coroner were also misleading, and whether other cases will need a retrial.

deelowe 6y ago
Was this the coroner or medical examiner? I didn't think the coroner did a report. The medical examiner released their full report shortly after the preliminary one and did state the death was ultimately due to asphyxiation. I read that the initial medical examiner's report didn't go this far b/c they had not completed their review and they needed to get a report out quickly so that the officers could be charged.
- yyyk 6y ago
  IIRC we're talking about the initial report. Later on, they backtracked, but their original report was patently flawed. Given the direction and obviousness of the flaws, one must question whether the flaws were only due to haste.
lovehashbrowns 6y ago
You are correct. I found this great analysis of the official report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egRf84EqaJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egRf84EqaJI The autopsy was purposely vague so as to give as much leeway as possible to the police.

stronglikedan 6y ago

In the video I watched (the one with multiple viewpoints from security cams, dash cams, etc.), Floyd did resist when they attempted to take him out of his car, and then again when they tried to put him in their car the first time. Of course, none of that should have resulted in a death sentence.