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Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly

Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds. I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of videos, since cops have been also taking a beating in the last few days with bricks, rocks, water bottles, etc... thrown at them off camera or before those clips start, where the convenient "editing" is done to portray the cops as the "bad guys" when often they have spent the last hour being insulted, assaulted and injured before they decide to move in with force on that "peaceful" protester...

smileysteve 6y ago
In Atlanta, our excessive force on Saturday evening didn't literally force a weapon into someone's hands, but several officers have now been charged, and one of the discovery items was common post police incident reports of a weapon, even though no body cam footage mentions a weapon and no weapon was found. It's a case of officers committing perjury as to the events that occurred to figuratively put a weapon into the scene. The DAs slides https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/1267843835889156097/photo/1 https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/1267843835889156097/photo/1
hmcdona1 6y ago
There is definitely a video from a day or two ago of a cop on top of a protestor with his hand pinned to the ground the cop then moves his baton under the hand of the protester and keeps it pinned on top. He proceeds to then punch his hand trying to appear as if he wants him to let go. Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. I don’t get to lose my shit and delete a project because someone keeps submitting bad code. Why do cops get to lose their temper when their job is to keep the peace and enforce the law. Learn to control yourself and do your job or find another profession.
- DaniloDias 6y ago
  >> Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. This statement is emblematic of the fundamental problem affecting our culture. I hate excessive violence. I hate excessive force. I can’t take anyone seriously if they argue that bad behavior doesn’t matter. Your 8 hour day in retail or at the office is not the same as working law enforcement during a riot. It is entitlement or stupidity.
  - kevinmgranger 6y ago
    If an officer is going to respond to hurt feelings with violence after some hour-mark, then: 1. police forces need to limit their time, and forces that do not need to held accountable 2. they need to not be police They _need_ to be held to a higher standard than everyone else.
    - DaniloDias 6y ago
      No disagreement
      - Mouse47 6y ago
        Then what was your point? You might as well delete your comment.
        DaniloDias 6y ago
        My point is there is not enough empathy going around and it still stands.
- at-fates-hands 6y ago
  >> Why do cops get to lose their temper when their job is to keep the peace and enforce the law. Learn to control yourself and do your job or find another profession. TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242 DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER COLOR OF LAW Acts under “color of any law” include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the bounds or limits of their lawful authority, but also acts done without and beyond the bounds of their lawful authority; provided that, in order for unlawful acts of any official to be done under “color of any law,” the unlawful acts must be done while such official is purporting or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. This definition includes, in addition to law enforcement officials, individuals such as Mayors, Council persons, Judges, Nursing Home Proprietors, Security Guards, etc., persons who are bound by laws, statutes ordinances, or customs. This means Chauvin could say he was acting under the "color of law" when he attempted to restrain George Floyd and during his restraint is when Floyd died. Because Chauvin was acting as a police officer and not a legal citizen, it was within his official duty as a police officer to apprehend someone who is breaking the law. However, in the initial part of the statue, it clearly states: This law further prohibits a person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom to willfully subject or cause to be subjected any person to different punishments, pains, or penalties, than those prescribed for punishment of citizens on account of such person being an alien or by reason of his/her color or race. This also means the prosecution can simply say that Chauvin was a known racist and violent around black people and his restraint was not an approved technique for restraining or arresting someone, therefore, based on those facts, the prosecution can make a compelling case that Chauvin attempted to use "color of law" to cover his willful infliction and in doing so, deprived George Floyd of his civil rights while doing so. The shorter answer is yes, they can lose their temper because it might be required in the application of their duties as a police officer and officer of the government for which they serve. No, in that they cannot abuse that power and use "color of law" to deprive someone of their civil rights under the constitution.
aphit 6y ago
See here: https://v.redd.it/m62sz14qmc251 https://v.redd.it/m62sz14qmc251
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Someone1234 6y ago
> Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/01/cop-put-baton-george-floyd-protesters-hand-put-knee-neck-12789427/ https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/01/cop-put-baton-george-floyd-pr...
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Loughla 6y ago
So the video of the man being held down and a baton being forcibly placed into his hand, is the one I'm assuming you're calling out. What possible context would make that okay? In what possible scenario is putting a man's hand on a weapon for the sole purpose of harming him reliant on context? These are not meant at all to be snarky, these are my very real questions, because I'm confused by your statements.
- imperio59 6y ago
  I didn't say it was OK I said I hadn't seen it personally. It is obviously not OK.
tacLog 6y ago
Not saying I can verify this is real or even from recent events. But I think this is the video he is referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/guqzyg/the_cop_literally_put_that_mans_hand_on_the_stick/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/guqzyg/the_...
danieka 6y ago
Baltimore Cops Carried Toy Guns to Plant on People They Shot, Trial Reveals (2018) That's institutionalized malice aforethought in my book. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvzwp/baltimore-cops-carried-toy-guns-to-plant-on-people-they-shot-trial-reveals-vgtrn https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvzwp/baltimore-cops-car...
short_sells_poo 6y ago
There's fault on both sides without a doubt, but I think this flare-up is culmination of a systematic discrimination against a race and a long string of unaddressed and unpunished misconduct on behalf of certain policemen. I really feel sorry for the people in uniform who are genuinely trying to make a difference, when the few bad apples make sure that nobody can have nice things. Something had to give though. There are only so many blatant crimes that can be committed by police only to go unpunished before people say Enough! Worst of all, we are not talking about crimes that can be repaid or repaired. Murder is the ultimate crime in some sense as (ignoring religion) it's irreversible and the loss the victim and their loved ones have suffered is the ultimate loss that we can never undo. The callousness and carelessness with which these crimes were carried out and the complete lack of remorse or even acknowledgment from leading figures in police unions is basically just more fuel on the fire. The countless acts of kindness and compassion of (I assume) the majority of officers is unfortunately drowned out by these bad examples. Something has to change. The police force clearly does not have the ability or will to solve this problem on their own.
btbuildem 6y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/gv57ho/philadelphia_pd_putting_baton_in_black_mans_hand/ https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/gv57ho/phi... maybe maybe

smileysteve 6y ago

In Atlanta, our excessive force on Saturday evening didn't literally force a weapon into someone's hands, but several officers have now been charged, and one of the discovery items was common post police incident reports of a weapon, even though no body cam footage mentions a weapon and no weapon was found. It's a case of officers committing perjury as to the events that occurred to figuratively put a weapon into the scene. The DAs slides https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/1267843835889156097/photo/1 https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/1267843835889156097/photo/1

hmcdona1 6y ago

There is definitely a video from a day or two ago of a cop on top of a protestor with his hand pinned to the ground the cop then moves his baton under the hand of the protester and keeps it pinned on top. He proceeds to then punch his hand trying to appear as if he wants him to let go. Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. I don’t get to lose my shit and delete a project because someone keeps submitting bad code. Why do cops get to lose their temper when their job is to keep the peace and enforce the law. Learn to control yourself and do your job or find another profession.

DaniloDias 6y ago
>> Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. This statement is emblematic of the fundamental problem affecting our culture. I hate excessive violence. I hate excessive force. I can’t take anyone seriously if they argue that bad behavior doesn’t matter. Your 8 hour day in retail or at the office is not the same as working law enforcement during a riot. It is entitlement or stupidity.
- kevinmgranger 6y ago
  If an officer is going to respond to hurt feelings with violence after some hour-mark, then: 1. police forces need to limit their time, and forces that do not need to held accountable 2. they need to not be police They _need_ to be held to a higher standard than everyone else.
  - DaniloDias 6y ago
    No disagreement
    - Mouse47 6y ago
      Then what was your point? You might as well delete your comment.
      - DaniloDias 6y ago
        My point is there is not enough empathy going around and it still stands.
at-fates-hands 6y ago
>> Why do cops get to lose their temper when their job is to keep the peace and enforce the law. Learn to control yourself and do your job or find another profession. TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242 DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER COLOR OF LAW Acts under “color of any law” include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the bounds or limits of their lawful authority, but also acts done without and beyond the bounds of their lawful authority; provided that, in order for unlawful acts of any official to be done under “color of any law,” the unlawful acts must be done while such official is purporting or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. This definition includes, in addition to law enforcement officials, individuals such as Mayors, Council persons, Judges, Nursing Home Proprietors, Security Guards, etc., persons who are bound by laws, statutes ordinances, or customs. This means Chauvin could say he was acting under the "color of law" when he attempted to restrain George Floyd and during his restraint is when Floyd died. Because Chauvin was acting as a police officer and not a legal citizen, it was within his official duty as a police officer to apprehend someone who is breaking the law. However, in the initial part of the statue, it clearly states: This law further prohibits a person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom to willfully subject or cause to be subjected any person to different punishments, pains, or penalties, than those prescribed for punishment of citizens on account of such person being an alien or by reason of his/her color or race. This also means the prosecution can simply say that Chauvin was a known racist and violent around black people and his restraint was not an approved technique for restraining or arresting someone, therefore, based on those facts, the prosecution can make a compelling case that Chauvin attempted to use "color of law" to cover his willful infliction and in doing so, deprived George Floyd of his civil rights while doing so. The shorter answer is yes, they can lose their temper because it might be required in the application of their duties as a police officer and officer of the government for which they serve. No, in that they cannot abuse that power and use "color of law" to deprive someone of their civil rights under the constitution.

aphit 6y ago

See here: https://v.redd.it/m62sz14qmc251 https://v.redd.it/m62sz14qmc251

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Someone1234 6y ago

> Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/01/cop-put-baton-george-floyd-protesters-hand-put-knee-neck-12789427/ https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/01/cop-put-baton-george-floyd-pr...

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Loughla 6y ago

So the video of the man being held down and a baton being forcibly placed into his hand, is the one I'm assuming you're calling out. What possible context would make that okay? In what possible scenario is putting a man's hand on a weapon for the sole purpose of harming him reliant on context? These are not meant at all to be snarky, these are my very real questions, because I'm confused by your statements.

imperio59 6y ago
I didn't say it was OK I said I hadn't seen it personally. It is obviously not OK.

tacLog 6y ago

Not saying I can verify this is real or even from recent events. But I think this is the video he is referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/guqzyg/the_cop_literally_put_that_mans_hand_on_the_stick/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/guqzyg/the_...

danieka 6y ago

Baltimore Cops Carried Toy Guns to Plant on People They Shot, Trial Reveals (2018) That's institutionalized malice aforethought in my book. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvzwp/baltimore-cops-carried-toy-guns-to-plant-on-people-they-shot-trial-reveals-vgtrn https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvzwp/baltimore-cops-car...

short_sells_poo 6y ago

There's fault on both sides without a doubt, but I think this flare-up is culmination of a systematic discrimination against a race and a long string of unaddressed and unpunished misconduct on behalf of certain policemen. I really feel sorry for the people in uniform who are genuinely trying to make a difference, when the few bad apples make sure that nobody can have nice things. Something had to give though. There are only so many blatant crimes that can be committed by police only to go unpunished before people say Enough! Worst of all, we are not talking about crimes that can be repaid or repaired. Murder is the ultimate crime in some sense as (ignoring religion) it's irreversible and the loss the victim and their loved ones have suffered is the ultimate loss that we can never undo. The callousness and carelessness with which these crimes were carried out and the complete lack of remorse or even acknowledgment from leading figures in police unions is basically just more fuel on the fire. The countless acts of kindness and compassion of (I assume) the majority of officers is unfortunately drowned out by these bad examples. Something has to change. The police force clearly does not have the ability or will to solve this problem on their own.

btbuildem 6y ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/gv57ho/philadelphia_pd_putting_baton_in_black_mans_hand/ https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/gv57ho/phi... maybe maybe