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Not buying lottery tickets seems like a good place to start though.

by tajd 6y ago

Klinky 6y ago
Seems like you completely missed the point.
- tajd 6y ago
  To clarify, whilst we are changing the systemic issues which cause poor decision making we can also stop buying lottery tickets. I think starting with the things we can change first is a good place to start.
  - Klinky 6y ago
    If your solution is to ban lotto tickets, that would likely be effective at achieving your goal. It likely would not solve the underlying issues around poor decision making though. If your solution is to just tell people they need to stop buying lotto tickets, then it's likely to be extremely ineffective.
mjparrott 6y ago
It depends if you think people are making their own choices in the first place, and then that they are capable of making different ones. The "systemic" view of the world says people aren't making choices, the system is coercing them to make choices. Therefore individuals aren't responsible and should not be coached to make different choices. Both views taken fundamentally seem short sighted. You need both.
- Klinky 6y ago
  >Therefore individuals aren't responsible and should not be coached to make different choices. No that's not the point either. Most people do make their own choices, but the ways in which they come to those choices are influenced by their past experiences. Past experience can have a drastic effect on the choices you make in the future. Abuse/neglect/malnourishment during childhood and/or traumatic brain injury can have profound effects on someone's decision-making abilities later in life. People should be held accountable for their poor choices, but with the understanding that not all lives have had equal opportunity, and there needs to be actual coaching available, not a bunch of finger wagging. Simply telling someone what's wrong with their life is that they "buy too many lotto tickets" is likely ignorant of the actual underlying problems that person may be facing or had to deal with in the past.

Not buying lottery tickets seems like a good place to start though.

by tajd 6y ago

Not buying lottery tickets seems like a good place to start though.

Klinky 6y ago

Seems like you completely missed the point.

tajd 6y ago
To clarify, whilst we are changing the systemic issues which cause poor decision making we can also stop buying lottery tickets. I think starting with the things we can change first is a good place to start.
- Klinky 6y ago
  If your solution is to ban lotto tickets, that would likely be effective at achieving your goal. It likely would not solve the underlying issues around poor decision making though. If your solution is to just tell people they need to stop buying lotto tickets, then it's likely to be extremely ineffective.

mjparrott 6y ago

It depends if you think people are making their own choices in the first place, and then that they are capable of making different ones. The "systemic" view of the world says people aren't making choices, the system is coercing them to make choices. Therefore individuals aren't responsible and should not be coached to make different choices. Both views taken fundamentally seem short sighted. You need both.

Klinky 6y ago
>Therefore individuals aren't responsible and should not be coached to make different choices. No that's not the point either. Most people do make their own choices, but the ways in which they come to those choices are influenced by their past experiences. Past experience can have a drastic effect on the choices you make in the future. Abuse/neglect/malnourishment during childhood and/or traumatic brain injury can have profound effects on someone's decision-making abilities later in life. People should be held accountable for their poor choices, but with the understanding that not all lives have had equal opportunity, and there needs to be actual coaching available, not a bunch of finger wagging. Simply telling someone what's wrong with their life is that they "buy too many lotto tickets" is likely ignorant of the actual underlying problems that person may be facing or had to deal with in the past.