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> I'm sympathetic to the cause of saving money but if the military won't auction something to a random US citizen I don't see why they should be auctioning tha

> I'm sympathetic to the cause of saving money but if the military won't auction something to a random US citizen I don't see why they should be auctioning that thing to a random US civilian police force. I don't see why it's not clear there's a difference here, in terms of community interest, but whatever > A civilian police force should have no special rights above any other civilian entity. What a weird way of looking at the world. I've genuinely never heard this take. Police have power over you, if you break the law; that's the point, no?

jeffbee 6y ago
Police power is not intrinsic. It is granted by the people through their elected government. In my state, every local authority has the power to designate entities to exercise their various powers. By tradition these are police or sheriff departments but there's nothing preventing the local government from vesting police powers in the 4-H club or Wal-mart.
- jointpdf 6y ago
  > there's nothing preventing the local government from vesting police powers in the 4-H club Would love to see this happen. Being policed by literal pigs would be better than...well, you know.
- mulmen 6y ago
  “License, registration and club card please.”
qball 6y ago
>What a weird way of looking at the world. I've genuinely never heard this take. That's interesting, and betrays the fact that modern policing has somewhat drifted away from its historic tradition. (https://www.techuk.org/insights/opinions/item/15744-behind-policing-by-consent-the-peelian-principles https://www.techuk.org/insights/opinions/item/15744-behind-p...)
mulmen 6y ago
That’s absolutely not the point of the police. Any power granted to the police is granted by the people they are changed with protecting. The police are not our overlords, they are our servants.
- core-questions 6y ago
  This is an understanding of power without any understanding of force or sovereignty. It should be more clear than ever what power truly is.
  - zentiggr 6y ago
    Power is local citizens banding together, grilling city council members about what equipment they will authorize the municipal police to use, and voting them out until the next councilor is one who will follow through on their election deal. Starts at home. When local departments get their acquisitions tightened down, then we start pressuring governors to turn the state police back into officers instead of National Guard reserve. Starts at home.

jeffbee 6y ago

Police power is not intrinsic. It is granted by the people through their elected government. In my state, every local authority has the power to designate entities to exercise their various powers. By tradition these are police or sheriff departments but there's nothing preventing the local government from vesting police powers in the 4-H club or Wal-mart.

jointpdf 6y ago
> there's nothing preventing the local government from vesting police powers in the 4-H club Would love to see this happen. Being policed by literal pigs would be better than...well, you know.
mulmen 6y ago
“License, registration and club card please.”

qball 6y ago

>What a weird way of looking at the world. I've genuinely never heard this take. That's interesting, and betrays the fact that modern policing has somewhat drifted away from its historic tradition. (https://www.techuk.org/insights/opinions/item/15744-behind-policing-by-consent-the-peelian-principles https://www.techuk.org/insights/opinions/item/15744-behind-p...)

mulmen 6y ago

That’s absolutely not the point of the police. Any power granted to the police is granted by the people they are changed with protecting. The police are not our overlords, they are our servants.

core-questions 6y ago
This is an understanding of power without any understanding of force or sovereignty. It should be more clear than ever what power truly is.
- zentiggr 6y ago
  Power is local citizens banding together, grilling city council members about what equipment they will authorize the municipal police to use, and voting them out until the next councilor is one who will follow through on their election deal. Starts at home. When local departments get their acquisitions tightened down, then we start pressuring governors to turn the state police back into officers instead of National Guard reserve. Starts at home.