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> Semi random person asks Zuckerberg to make changes and he politely dismisses them.. You're, for some reason, confusing the messenger with the message. The fa

> Semi random person asks Zuckerberg to make changes and he politely dismisses them.. You're, for some reason, confusing the messenger with the message. The fact was that Zuckerberg met with civil rights leaders and, when faced with questions regarding the current racial justice problem, Zuckerberg's reaction was to do absolutely zero with regards to any possible solution or mitigation.

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
Is it possible that the civil rights leaders misunderstood meeting for something it was not. For Mark it was a potential PR opportunity to show he is doing something, while keeping business model intact ( it works, why I should I break it ). I suppose that means we are in agreement. I am trying to think of an anology and it is hard to find something comparable. Imagine vegans going to a slaughter house asking the plant manager to turn off their most efficient lane and Bloomberg reporting the plant not doing enough to satisfy vegan lobby. Just because people give you a floor, does automatically not mean your petition will be acted upon.
- rumanator 6y ago
  > For Mark it was a potential PR opportunity to show he is doing something, while keeping business model intact The whole point of the newspiece is that Zuckerberg is adamant in doing absolutely nothing, even when repeatedly and directly promoted by civil rights leaders. > Bloomberg reporting the plant not doing enough to satisfy vegan lobby. There is no "lobby" that requests, say, that racism is bad and that citizens of a specific ratial background should be repeatedly subjected to violence, or that racism should grow rampant in mass media. This is no special favour that a niche interest group seeks special privileges. Once we recognize that all men are created equally, racial violence ceases to be a debatable subject where it's reasonable to support it in any way or form.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
    It is possible I am misreading your post. Correct me as needed. US absolutely has had overt lobbying efforts to ensure that slaves remain slaves. There are interest groups in US today that directly benefit from fanning the flames of racism. I will stop here.
  - etherael 6y ago
    > Once we recognize that all men are created equally, racial violence ceases to be a debatable subject where it's reasonable to support it in any way or form. Except this assumes that's what both sides of the argument are actually about. Just checking but do you realise this is an artificial construct that exists entirely in your own head? Zuckerberg in this particular instance, and the free speech absolutist argument in general does not imply acceptance that it's reasonable to support racial violence. Equating the two shows either an intent to deceive or quite intense confusion on the subject.
- jhowell 6y ago
  Is it your opinion that the people who met with Zuckerberg were props, and his intention was to positively influence the public's opinion of his actions with respect to the protests and civil unrest happening in the country today? Seems a questionable tactic. Would you publicly stand behind your opinions and reveal your identity? Do you feel your opinion is widely shared?
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
    Hmm. << Is it your opinion that the people who met with Zuckerberg were props In a sense that he used them less subtly than Trump used the bible? Yes. << his intention was to positively influence the public's opinion of his actions with respect to the protests and civil unrest happening in the country today No. The entire company is built on a more virulent version of old 'if it bleeds, it leads'. It is silly to think otherwise. Would you publicly stand behind your opinions and reveal your identity? Hell no. I shared an unpopular opinion on LinkedIn once. The mob immediately descended. <<Do you feel your opinion is widely shared? I have no data one way or another, but why would that matter?
    - jhowell 6y ago
      > Hell no. I shared an unpopular opinion on LinkedIn once. The mob immediately descended. I am glad your convictions are not strongly held. As you charge forward with this perspective, you may find more disagreements with those behind you than those in front. Bringing feelings to the surface is part of the healing and self discovery process. > I have no data one way or another, but why would that matter? I was curious about how you see your opinion reflected in the world. You seem to understand that it is not popular and are asking people to convince you otherwise. If not, I imagine you'd be in another forum right not having a much different conversation than can be had here. "There are no strangers. There are only versions of ourselves, many of which we have not embraced, most of which we wish to protect ourselves from." - Toni Morrison
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
        <<I am glad your convictions are not strongly held Define strongly. Am I willing to lose my job to be right on the internet? No. But I think it is a mistake to think that those voices lose strength when hidden. Quite the opposite. <<You seem to understand that it is not popular and are asking people to convince you otherwise I am looking for a reasonable rationale. Frankly, I do not understand some of the decisions people make. That said, I am hesitating to play amateur psychologist online, but you may be projecting a little.

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago

Is it possible that the civil rights leaders misunderstood meeting for something it was not. For Mark it was a potential PR opportunity to show he is doing something, while keeping business model intact ( it works, why I should I break it ). I suppose that means we are in agreement. I am trying to think of an anology and it is hard to find something comparable. Imagine vegans going to a slaughter house asking the plant manager to turn off their most efficient lane and Bloomberg reporting the plant not doing enough to satisfy vegan lobby. Just because people give you a floor, does automatically not mean your petition will be acted upon.

rumanator 6y ago
> For Mark it was a potential PR opportunity to show he is doing something, while keeping business model intact The whole point of the newspiece is that Zuckerberg is adamant in doing absolutely nothing, even when repeatedly and directly promoted by civil rights leaders. > Bloomberg reporting the plant not doing enough to satisfy vegan lobby. There is no "lobby" that requests, say, that racism is bad and that citizens of a specific ratial background should be repeatedly subjected to violence, or that racism should grow rampant in mass media. This is no special favour that a niche interest group seeks special privileges. Once we recognize that all men are created equally, racial violence ceases to be a debatable subject where it's reasonable to support it in any way or form.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
  It is possible I am misreading your post. Correct me as needed. US absolutely has had overt lobbying efforts to ensure that slaves remain slaves. There are interest groups in US today that directly benefit from fanning the flames of racism. I will stop here.
- etherael 6y ago
  > Once we recognize that all men are created equally, racial violence ceases to be a debatable subject where it's reasonable to support it in any way or form. Except this assumes that's what both sides of the argument are actually about. Just checking but do you realise this is an artificial construct that exists entirely in your own head? Zuckerberg in this particular instance, and the free speech absolutist argument in general does not imply acceptance that it's reasonable to support racial violence. Equating the two shows either an intent to deceive or quite intense confusion on the subject.
jhowell 6y ago
Is it your opinion that the people who met with Zuckerberg were props, and his intention was to positively influence the public's opinion of his actions with respect to the protests and civil unrest happening in the country today? Seems a questionable tactic. Would you publicly stand behind your opinions and reveal your identity? Do you feel your opinion is widely shared?
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
  Hmm. << Is it your opinion that the people who met with Zuckerberg were props In a sense that he used them less subtly than Trump used the bible? Yes. << his intention was to positively influence the public's opinion of his actions with respect to the protests and civil unrest happening in the country today No. The entire company is built on a more virulent version of old 'if it bleeds, it leads'. It is silly to think otherwise. Would you publicly stand behind your opinions and reveal your identity? Hell no. I shared an unpopular opinion on LinkedIn once. The mob immediately descended. <<Do you feel your opinion is widely shared? I have no data one way or another, but why would that matter?
  - jhowell 6y ago
    > Hell no. I shared an unpopular opinion on LinkedIn once. The mob immediately descended. I am glad your convictions are not strongly held. As you charge forward with this perspective, you may find more disagreements with those behind you than those in front. Bringing feelings to the surface is part of the healing and self discovery process. > I have no data one way or another, but why would that matter? I was curious about how you see your opinion reflected in the world. You seem to understand that it is not popular and are asking people to convince you otherwise. If not, I imagine you'd be in another forum right not having a much different conversation than can be had here. "There are no strangers. There are only versions of ourselves, many of which we have not embraced, most of which we wish to protect ourselves from." - Toni Morrison
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
      <<I am glad your convictions are not strongly held Define strongly. Am I willing to lose my job to be right on the internet? No. But I think it is a mistake to think that those voices lose strength when hidden. Quite the opposite. <<You seem to understand that it is not popular and are asking people to convince you otherwise I am looking for a reasonable rationale. Frankly, I do not understand some of the decisions people make. That said, I am hesitating to play amateur psychologist online, but you may be projecting a little.