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Rioters don't care about the goals of the protestors.

yters 6y ago
i've conversed with a couple of people on HN who seem to think rioting is aligned, and in fact more effective than peaceful protests they weren't downvoted, whereas my counter comments were so, it seems this opinion that violence is the way forward is not the minority position
- ikeyany 6y ago
  If rioters are aligned with protestors in your mind, then aren't cops who murder innocents also aligned with good cops?
  - yters 6y ago
    perhaps if i saw protesters actively stopping violence and looting instead of just spectating and filming and cheering, as well as comments supporting violence getting flagged on hn otherwise, plenty of people may not be personally willing to risk themselves by being violent, but are happy to stand by as others are violent anyways, i hope the protesters look forward to trump 2020, because that is the current trajectory they are pushing
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - ikeyany 6y ago
      Protestors actively stopping violence and looting: https://facebook.com/fox11la/videos/2620823021579078/ https://facebook.com/fox11la/videos/2620823021579078/ https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Al_OCpYFk https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Al_OCpYFk Consider why you are so unwilling to admit that bad cops who murder innocents are also the problem.
      - yters 6y ago
        consider why you are making assumptions about what I believe? even if, for sake of argument, bad cops are instigating all the riots and looting, the media optics will make this a slam dunk for trump 2020 and more militarized police exactly contrary to what we really want consider this where do all the people live who are most likely to vote against trump? the big cities where are all the riots taking place? the big cities if trump stops the riots and saves their livelihood, will this make them more likely or less likely to vote against trump? what do you think?
        ikeyany 6y ago
        Why do you keep bringing up Trump? Ignore the election for a second. I'm pointing out two issues: rioting, and the police brutality leading to the rioting are both societal problems. We saw this exact scenario after the Freddie Gray murder. I'm also trying to find out why you're avoiding admitting that both rioting and police brutality are problems.
        yters 6y ago
        why are you asking loaded questions? it is almost as if you are not interested in having a discussion, but would rather post talking points that i already agree with hard to understand the point of what you are doing

i've conversed with a couple of people on HN who seem to think rioting is aligned, and in fact more effective than peaceful protests they weren't downvoted, whereas my counter comments were so, it seems this opinion that violence is the way forward is not the minority position

ikeyany 6y ago
If rioters are aligned with protestors in your mind, then aren't cops who murder innocents also aligned with good cops?
- yters 6y ago
  perhaps if i saw protesters actively stopping violence and looting instead of just spectating and filming and cheering, as well as comments supporting violence getting flagged on hn otherwise, plenty of people may not be personally willing to risk themselves by being violent, but are happy to stand by as others are violent anyways, i hope the protesters look forward to trump 2020, because that is the current trajectory they are pushing
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  - ikeyany 6y ago
    Protestors actively stopping violence and looting: https://facebook.com/fox11la/videos/2620823021579078/ https://facebook.com/fox11la/videos/2620823021579078/ https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Al_OCpYFk https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Al_OCpYFk Consider why you are so unwilling to admit that bad cops who murder innocents are also the problem.
    - yters 6y ago
      consider why you are making assumptions about what I believe? even if, for sake of argument, bad cops are instigating all the riots and looting, the media optics will make this a slam dunk for trump 2020 and more militarized police exactly contrary to what we really want consider this where do all the people live who are most likely to vote against trump? the big cities where are all the riots taking place? the big cities if trump stops the riots and saves their livelihood, will this make them more likely or less likely to vote against trump? what do you think?
      - ikeyany 6y ago
        Why do you keep bringing up Trump? Ignore the election for a second. I'm pointing out two issues: rioting, and the police brutality leading to the rioting are both societal problems. We saw this exact scenario after the Freddie Gray murder. I'm also trying to find out why you're avoiding admitting that both rioting and police brutality are problems.
        yters 6y ago
        why are you asking loaded questions? it is almost as if you are not interested in having a discussion, but would rather post talking points that i already agree with hard to understand the point of what you are doing