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I completely agree. Also the automatic updates which potentially just close an open session including unsaved files is not something that helps trust. Windows h

I completely agree. Also the automatic updates which potentially just close an open session including unsaved files is not something that helps trust. Windows has become less transparent and much more controlling, actively ignoring or overriding user preferences, and I don't know why I should use a software like that, not to mention pay for the "privilege" of being messed with.

thunfischbrot 6y ago
I wish Windows 10 LTSC was the base for all other Windows 10 OS versions. An expensive version that is easy to use with few distractions, does not need a full-time system administrator to run and just works.
- Nextgrid 6y ago
  I installed the Enterprise LTSC version on my new gaming machine and saw all the usual bullshit you'd expect from consumer-grade Windows 10. A deceptive setup screen that asks you to create a Microsoft account (you need to use the "Domain join" button to be able to create a local admin account, there is no "local account" button by itself). Spyware features like "personalization", advertising identifier, etc that I needed to uncheck (during the initial setup process there are at least 10 things I had to disable or say no to), also there's a subtle dark pattern going on with the button to go to the next screen, it's no longer called "Next" but "Accept" instead (even if you disable all the proposed options). Despite the watermark on the wallpaper correctly saying "Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC" I can still only select "Basic" telemetry in the settings. I am not sure whether it's a quirk of the evaluation version or if I need to use a group policy to disable it.
modernerd 6y ago
Automatic updates interrupting work hasn't been an issue for me for a long time. You can set updates to install outside of an 18-hour window, defer updates for a set period, or disable them: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop-updates-installing-automatically-windows-10 https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop-updates-installing-a...
- lostlogin 6y ago
  A work mandates machines with locked down control is always going to be awful. The machine in my house that is in this category gets opened every week or two for it’s mega updates, then closed until the next batch.
  - modernerd 6y ago
    Agreed, the update experience for anything used occasionally or when someone else controls the update cycle is going to be miserable. I've experienced the same with work-issued laptops, and also have an iMac I boot once every few months to be met with 20 software update nags from the OS and various apps. Probably means I should sell the iMac.
- tomp 6y ago
  Does this actually work? I tried (permanently) disabling updates on my Surface Go (running Windows 10) a few months ago but kept failing. The worst thing is, you don't know if what you did works or not, because you need to wait until the next update :D
  - modernerd 6y ago
    I've also seen user experience reports in the wild that say, “I tried those settings but I still had a forced update halfway through my Big Important Presentation”. I haven't had that myself so far. Hate to say it works on my machine but that's been my experience to date.
    - llampx 6y ago
      Those users invariably have been blindly clicking away the update notification and have picky themselves to blame.
      - alpaca128 6y ago
        Clicking away the dialogue should never trigger the update. It's the opposite of what the whole UI of Windows has always worked like. And you're wrong either way - I've had forced updates wreck Windows without seeing a single notification or update setting beforehand.
goatinaboat 6y ago
the automatic updates which potentially just close an open session including unsaved files is not something that helps trust This is literally a preference setting. There are cases where you want to force it e.g. a sysadmin pushing security patches over the weekend but other than that you set the time window, or no window and it just gives a notification that patches are available and you reboot whenever you want to.
- wtetzner 6y ago
  Admittedly it's been a couple of years since I've used Windows 10, but at that time there was no way to disable the automatic updates. Even the registry hacks didn't work for me.
horsawlarway 6y ago
I run Arch for most of my dev work so maybe I'm just missing it, but I do a fair bit of dev/testing on windows machines and I don't EVER have this happen. Like - Literally never in the past two years have I lost work due to auto updates.
- gassiss 6y ago
  It definitely got a lot better over the years, but it still happens sometimes. I don't know the criteria, but it is basically having some update pending install.
noxToken 6y ago
You can sent your Internet connection to "metered" to stop this. I hate that you can't just outright disable forced updates, but this is the working solution that MS offers.
- cercatrova 6y ago
  You can, via the registry.

thunfischbrot 6y ago

I wish Windows 10 LTSC was the base for all other Windows 10 OS versions. An expensive version that is easy to use with few distractions, does not need a full-time system administrator to run and just works.

Nextgrid 6y ago
I installed the Enterprise LTSC version on my new gaming machine and saw all the usual bullshit you'd expect from consumer-grade Windows 10. A deceptive setup screen that asks you to create a Microsoft account (you need to use the "Domain join" button to be able to create a local admin account, there is no "local account" button by itself). Spyware features like "personalization", advertising identifier, etc that I needed to uncheck (during the initial setup process there are at least 10 things I had to disable or say no to), also there's a subtle dark pattern going on with the button to go to the next screen, it's no longer called "Next" but "Accept" instead (even if you disable all the proposed options). Despite the watermark on the wallpaper correctly saying "Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC" I can still only select "Basic" telemetry in the settings. I am not sure whether it's a quirk of the evaluation version or if I need to use a group policy to disable it.

modernerd 6y ago

Automatic updates interrupting work hasn't been an issue for me for a long time. You can set updates to install outside of an 18-hour window, defer updates for a set period, or disable them: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop-updates-installing-automatically-windows-10 https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop-updates-installing-a...

lostlogin 6y ago
A work mandates machines with locked down control is always going to be awful. The machine in my house that is in this category gets opened every week or two for it’s mega updates, then closed until the next batch.
- modernerd 6y ago
  Agreed, the update experience for anything used occasionally or when someone else controls the update cycle is going to be miserable. I've experienced the same with work-issued laptops, and also have an iMac I boot once every few months to be met with 20 software update nags from the OS and various apps. Probably means I should sell the iMac.
tomp 6y ago
Does this actually work? I tried (permanently) disabling updates on my Surface Go (running Windows 10) a few months ago but kept failing. The worst thing is, you don't know if what you did works or not, because you need to wait until the next update :D
- modernerd 6y ago
  I've also seen user experience reports in the wild that say, “I tried those settings but I still had a forced update halfway through my Big Important Presentation”. I haven't had that myself so far. Hate to say it works on my machine but that's been my experience to date.
  - llampx 6y ago
    Those users invariably have been blindly clicking away the update notification and have picky themselves to blame.
    - alpaca128 6y ago
      Clicking away the dialogue should never trigger the update. It's the opposite of what the whole UI of Windows has always worked like. And you're wrong either way - I've had forced updates wreck Windows without seeing a single notification or update setting beforehand.

goatinaboat 6y ago

the automatic updates which potentially just close an open session including unsaved files is not something that helps trust This is literally a preference setting. There are cases where you want to force it e.g. a sysadmin pushing security patches over the weekend but other than that you set the time window, or no window and it just gives a notification that patches are available and you reboot whenever you want to.

wtetzner 6y ago
Admittedly it's been a couple of years since I've used Windows 10, but at that time there was no way to disable the automatic updates. Even the registry hacks didn't work for me.

horsawlarway 6y ago

I run Arch for most of my dev work so maybe I'm just missing it, but I do a fair bit of dev/testing on windows machines and I don't EVER have this happen. Like - Literally never in the past two years have I lost work due to auto updates.

gassiss 6y ago
It definitely got a lot better over the years, but it still happens sometimes. I don't know the criteria, but it is basically having some update pending install.

noxToken 6y ago

You can sent your Internet connection to "metered" to stop this. I hate that you can't just outright disable forced updates, but this is the working solution that MS offers.

cercatrova 6y ago
You can, via the registry.