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And did those arrest and charges come before or after multiple days of protests? At this point the protests have snowballed into a larger frustration over polic

by 0xddd 6y ago

And did those arrest and charges come before or after multiple days of protests? At this point the protests have snowballed into a larger frustration over police conduct (and I'm sure other issues), which only gets reinforced with each instance of force being used on those who are assembled peacefully.

0xBA5ED 6y ago
The officers were fired the next day. Chauvin was arrested 3 days later.
- petrocrat 6y ago
  The other officers (excluding the one who was standing) involved should also be arrested.
  - 0xBA5ED 6y ago
    In your opinion. Is that particular detail worth burning down cities over?
    - profunctor 6y ago
      Cities aren't being burned down
    - TulliusCicero 6y ago
      > In your opinion. Seriously? They let him slowly kill a dude right next to him! This isn't a situation where he just whipped out a gun and instantly shot someone, that kind of thing would be hard to stop in time, they had literal minutes where they could've stepped in, and chose not to.
      - 0xBA5ED 6y ago
        The end result is that he died, but it isn't clear if they all knew the man was being killed. It could very well be plain stupidity that they all thought "as long as he is speaking, he must be able to breathe".
        learc83 6y ago
        If this is true and every office on the scene was that misinformed, it's still a systemic problem that requires a complete overhaul of the way police are trained and hired. This won't be fixed by punishing a few bad apples and then pretending the problem is solved. What's the chances that of a sample of officers who responded, those 4 are the only ones who would have let this happen?
        ashtonkem 6y ago
        Do you believe that kneeling on another human being’s neck for 9 minutes is not dangerous?
        0xBA5ED 6y ago
        Dangerous? Yes. Did they know it would be fatal? I have no idea. It isn't clear that they were standing there with the intent to "keep watch while their colleague killed him". I don't believe they knew he would die. That doesn't absolve them, but should they be arrested as accomplices to murder? It isn't clear!
        ashtonkem 6y ago
        The idea that kneeling on a restrained human’s neck for 9 minutes isn’t something they knew could lead to the severe injury or death of that person would be laughable if it wasn’t so chilling to hear you defend. If I owned a martial arts studio and I let a student do that, I’d face criminal & civil liability. Why shouldn’t trained officers of the law be held to at least that standard?
        0xBA5ED 6y ago
- celticninja 6y ago
  You say that as if that is what should have happened and its all ok. He was sacked, whoop de do. He should have been arrested, that he was arrested 3 days later means they could have arrested him immediately but if this hadnt kicked off he would likely still be patrolling now looking for his next victim.

by 0xddd 6y ago

0xBA5ED 6y ago

The officers were fired the next day. Chauvin was arrested 3 days later.

petrocrat 6y ago
The other officers (excluding the one who was standing) involved should also be arrested.
- 0xBA5ED 6y ago
  In your opinion. Is that particular detail worth burning down cities over?
  - profunctor 6y ago
    Cities aren't being burned down
  - TulliusCicero 6y ago
    > In your opinion. Seriously? They let him slowly kill a dude right next to him! This isn't a situation where he just whipped out a gun and instantly shot someone, that kind of thing would be hard to stop in time, they had literal minutes where they could've stepped in, and chose not to.
    - 0xBA5ED 6y ago
      The end result is that he died, but it isn't clear if they all knew the man was being killed. It could very well be plain stupidity that they all thought "as long as he is speaking, he must be able to breathe".
      - learc83 6y ago
        If this is true and every office on the scene was that misinformed, it's still a systemic problem that requires a complete overhaul of the way police are trained and hired. This won't be fixed by punishing a few bad apples and then pretending the problem is solved. What's the chances that of a sample of officers who responded, those 4 are the only ones who would have let this happen?
      - ashtonkem 6y ago
        Do you believe that kneeling on another human being’s neck for 9 minutes is not dangerous?
        0xBA5ED 6y ago
        Dangerous? Yes. Did they know it would be fatal? I have no idea. It isn't clear that they were standing there with the intent to "keep watch while their colleague killed him". I don't believe they knew he would die. That doesn't absolve them, but should they be arrested as accomplices to murder? It isn't clear!
        ashtonkem 6y ago
        The idea that kneeling on a restrained human’s neck for 9 minutes isn’t something they knew could lead to the severe injury or death of that person would be laughable if it wasn’t so chilling to hear you defend. If I owned a martial arts studio and I let a student do that, I’d face criminal & civil liability. Why shouldn’t trained officers of the law be held to at least that standard?
        0xBA5ED 6y ago
celticninja 6y ago
You say that as if that is what should have happened and its all ok. He was sacked, whoop de do. He should have been arrested, that he was arrested 3 days later means they could have arrested him immediately but if this hadnt kicked off he would likely still be patrolling now looking for his next victim.