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Looks like rioters to me. There's certainly not enough evidence in that video to prove any sort of group/political affiliation.

llcoolv 6y ago
Are you blind?
- sdkjfhskjfh 6y ago
  Maybe. Why don't you point out exactly what it is in that video that makes you confident enough to label them as "Antifa." I don't see anything that leads me to believe they're anything more than dumb teenagers in the middle of a riot.
  - gremlinsinc 6y ago
    Exactly. 200 million people don't vote. Many kids that age could care less what an 'antifa' or #MAGA is... they just want to destroy something or act out, and this is their chance to 'maybe' get away with it.
  - leereeves 6y ago
    Perhaps the other comments are referring to the anarchist symbol that appears a couple of times. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=anarchist+symbol&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=anarchist+symbol&iax=images...
    - sdkjfhskjfh 6y ago
      The anarchist symbol has been used by tons of groups, both left and right, throughout history. You can find it almost anywhere that has a substantial amount of graffiti and I'd bet more often than not it's just done by kids/teens that have no significant group or political affiliation. The video doesn't even show who sprayed it and basically everyone looks like your average teen. Labelling this as "Antifa" because someone spray painted an anarchist symbol and someone has green hair is a bit of a stretch.
      - leereeves 6y ago
        What group, other than anarchists, uses that symbol in 2020? It probably was sprayed by teenagers, but by spraying it, they're indicating their political affiliation.
    - mercer 6y ago
      In addition to what sdkjfhskjfh says, Antifa is not exclusively (or even primarily) anarchists. I've met quite a number of people who participate in Antifa counter-protests who are not anarchists at all.
      - soylentcola 6y ago
        It's like "libertarian" or "feminist". It's a label you can use to describe a stance or general association with an idea, but not much more. Being "anti-fascist" can mean a lot of things to a lot of people, but using the "antifa" label makes it sound scary or organized. It reminds me of media outlets talking about message board trolls and disruptors as "the shadowy group known as Anonymous".
  - aaron695 6y ago
    It is definitely not clear. You are correct. If not for C19 the masks would be strong evidence. But green/long hair and a female voice acting like a leader, white and hoodies means you'd go with Antifa. I'd cross reference it with other protests. I think you get a hit if you really cared, they look like they are active. (Antifa are dumb teenagers, a bit like 4Chan, Anonymous, or even ISIS, the word is lose in it's meaning when it's a distributed organisation)
    - DanBC 6y ago
      > But green/long hair and a female voice acting like a leader, white and hoodies means you'd go with Antifa. Why? National Action, NS113, and Scottish Dawn, (UK far right terrorist organisations) all had female membership and leadership.
      - aaron695 6y ago
        They wouldn't also have long or green hair. But to your specific point were the females also foot soldiers? Not, do you know of an example, but was it somewhat common? This seems to be a more left wing thing.
        DanBC 6y ago
        > They wouldn't also have long or green hair. What a weird thing to say. Yes, some of them had long hair; some of them had dyed hair. > But to your specific point were the females also foot soldiers? Not, do you know of an example, but was it somewhat common? It was a known tactic of National Action to recruit as many women as they could, because those women would then go on to recruit a lot of men. They had enough women members to run a "Miss Hitler" beauty pageant. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-woman-named-miss-hitler-2016-neo-nazi-beauty-pageant-a7112216.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-woman-named-m... One of the winners went on to become part of the National Action leadership: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-trial-terrorism-nazi-miss-hitler-pageant-court-a9274371.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-...
    - 6y ago

llcoolv 6y ago

Are you blind?

sdkjfhskjfh 6y ago
Maybe. Why don't you point out exactly what it is in that video that makes you confident enough to label them as "Antifa." I don't see anything that leads me to believe they're anything more than dumb teenagers in the middle of a riot.
- gremlinsinc 6y ago
  Exactly. 200 million people don't vote. Many kids that age could care less what an 'antifa' or #MAGA is... they just want to destroy something or act out, and this is their chance to 'maybe' get away with it.
- leereeves 6y ago
  Perhaps the other comments are referring to the anarchist symbol that appears a couple of times. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=anarchist+symbol&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=anarchist+symbol&iax=images...
  - sdkjfhskjfh 6y ago
    The anarchist symbol has been used by tons of groups, both left and right, throughout history. You can find it almost anywhere that has a substantial amount of graffiti and I'd bet more often than not it's just done by kids/teens that have no significant group or political affiliation. The video doesn't even show who sprayed it and basically everyone looks like your average teen. Labelling this as "Antifa" because someone spray painted an anarchist symbol and someone has green hair is a bit of a stretch.
    - leereeves 6y ago
      What group, other than anarchists, uses that symbol in 2020? It probably was sprayed by teenagers, but by spraying it, they're indicating their political affiliation.
  - mercer 6y ago
    In addition to what sdkjfhskjfh says, Antifa is not exclusively (or even primarily) anarchists. I've met quite a number of people who participate in Antifa counter-protests who are not anarchists at all.
    - soylentcola 6y ago
      It's like "libertarian" or "feminist". It's a label you can use to describe a stance or general association with an idea, but not much more. Being "anti-fascist" can mean a lot of things to a lot of people, but using the "antifa" label makes it sound scary or organized. It reminds me of media outlets talking about message board trolls and disruptors as "the shadowy group known as Anonymous".
- aaron695 6y ago
  It is definitely not clear. You are correct. If not for C19 the masks would be strong evidence. But green/long hair and a female voice acting like a leader, white and hoodies means you'd go with Antifa. I'd cross reference it with other protests. I think you get a hit if you really cared, they look like they are active. (Antifa are dumb teenagers, a bit like 4Chan, Anonymous, or even ISIS, the word is lose in it's meaning when it's a distributed organisation)
  - DanBC 6y ago
    > But green/long hair and a female voice acting like a leader, white and hoodies means you'd go with Antifa. Why? National Action, NS113, and Scottish Dawn, (UK far right terrorist organisations) all had female membership and leadership.
    - aaron695 6y ago
      They wouldn't also have long or green hair. But to your specific point were the females also foot soldiers? Not, do you know of an example, but was it somewhat common? This seems to be a more left wing thing.
      - DanBC 6y ago
        > They wouldn't also have long or green hair. What a weird thing to say. Yes, some of them had long hair; some of them had dyed hair. > But to your specific point were the females also foot soldiers? Not, do you know of an example, but was it somewhat common? It was a known tactic of National Action to recruit as many women as they could, because those women would then go on to recruit a lot of men. They had enough women members to run a "Miss Hitler" beauty pageant. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-woman-named-miss-hitler-2016-neo-nazi-beauty-pageant-a7112216.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-woman-named-m... One of the winners went on to become part of the National Action leadership: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-trial-terrorism-nazi-miss-hitler-pageant-court-a9274371.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-...
  - 6y ago